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I asked "Who said they do?" meaning "Who said they DO know who Josephine is?" See - I didn't "try" anything. You mentioned Josephine (don't know why) and I just said that nobody said she is a household name or whatever. But it seems you just wanna fight so I'll leave you construct things and fight with yourself. Bye!

I thought you said they don't. 😕

Who said they do? There was a discussion on HF vs commercial models. Not about race. Nor about Jasmine vs Josephine. And when someone says "household name" it doesn't apply to specific person's household (I believe everyone here knows who both Jasmine and Josephine are; but I doubt their entire household does) - it's just an expression that marks a model recognizability among wider public.

I don't think any of those know who Jasmine Tookes is either. But yeah, "commercial" models are more recognizible among general public.

Josephine Skriver Heidi Klum Miranda Kerr Alessandra Ambrosio

You answered your own question. But yeah, some of VS girls combine both HF and commercial (Grace, Stella, even Taylor and Candice) while others go only commercial. Some of them (Taylor, Sara, Josephine, ...) also have additional long-term commercial lucrative contracts (beauty, jewlery, ...). I don't follow Jasmine that closely so I don't know if she has other (commercial) contracts other than VS.

Lindsay Ellingson Izabel Goulart Erin Heatherton Behati Prinsloo

Behati Prinsloo Josephine Skriver Heidi Klum Elsa Hosk Tyra Banks

Stella Maxwell Izabel Goulart Lindsay Ellingson Martha Hunt Erin Heatherton

^ Jasmine - is that you? 😀

Well, they are already not really relevant. Too many of them and VS still using many non-angels in their campaigns. Not even people on here (fans) can name all of the angels. I bet their contracts are not very lucrative as well. Without the show the angel status is even more losing its significance.

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Alessandra Ambrosio Sara Sampaio Lily Aldridge Karolina Kurkova Lais Ribeiro

Lindsay Ellingson Izabel Goulart Alessandra Ambrosio Lais Ribeiro Adriana Lima

Sorry if repost.

Heidi Klum Josephine Skriver Behati Prinsloo Erin Heatherton Karolina Kurkova

Elsa Hosk Tyra Banks Grace Elizabeth Miranda Kerr

Adriana Lima Taylor Hill Tyra Banks Lindsay Ellingson Miranda Kerr Heidi Klum Josephine Skriver

Laetitia Casta Jac Jagaciak Alessandra Ambrosio Lily Aldridge

That was what I was thinking. The only place I heard/read about her being a plus size is here.

Barbara a "plus size"?!

Barbara Palvin Candice Swanepoel Martha Hunt Karolina Kurkova

Josephine Skriver Adriana Lima Erin Heatherton Stella Maxwell Izabel Goulart

Tyra Banks Leomie Anderson Miranda Kerr (tough one) Heidi Klum