Souled-Out

I wouldn't claim that all people are tired of seeing Candice that much. Why do you think so? Just because there are people who complain about it doesn't mean everybody is sick of seeing her. Victoria's Secret is a big company and like every big company, it employs a team of specialists which does market researches. So there must be something that gets VS any economic benefit by overexposing Candice. They wouldn't do that if the people were so annoyed by her, because actually the models do influence the purchasing behavior. Additionally, Ale and Adriana are getting old. Of course they are not actually old - but the model business applies other standards. You have to consider the target audience of VS. Exactly ale and adriana are getting older, which means what? vs should stop using them and start using an angel thats about 7 years younger than them or should they take advantage of the oldest ones since the younger ones can actually wait awhile? Atleast when adriana had her time, all the angels were more closer in age and as I said before everybody still got their equal attention. And even with them getting older they are the ones everyone wants to see the most. Target audience, sometimes its a question whether or not they are even targeting their female buyers or men. No one really knows who their targets are but we all know that it should be women. But I don't think that would matter because everyone enjoys every angel. There isn't a specific type of fan per angel. They have fans of ever gender,race, age,sexual orientation. So idk why it would matter when there is so much variety. Crista, my point was that exactly that the followers on twitter and fb statics isn't an excuse. I mean its proof of which angel is maybe more popular. But even if candice did have an fb her fans wouldn't tops adriana. Ale's fans doesn't even top adriana's and ale has more followers on twitter than adriana. Candice followers didn't even top adriana's when adriana made her twitter page but never tweeted (adri just started tweeting during the vsfs 2011). I don't think that candice will reach giselle's or adriana's popularity, I have my reasons, don't kill me. You guys are good candice fans so you can perfer the over exposure of candice. I just think that not only ale and adriana at times are wrongfully underexposed(because they are not getting any younger it would be smart to use them more) but I could see why you'd think not since they have had years in vs to be shown, but the other new angels are wrongfully underexposed . Non of the new angels are better than each other(besides candice twitter followers,BUT like we agreed on that's no excuse). So focusing so much more on one that is only just as good as the others angel wise annoys me.MissNKlovesphotograph, To me there is no way candice is better than anyone (esp. not an older angel like alessandra or adriana), she can be just as beautiful as some of the angels or just as good as some of the angels but saying she is better would honestly be pushing it imo and I think someone would have to be biased (a big fan) to say that there is alot to consider to make that judgement. You all are obviously fine with the i'll say ARGUABLY overexposure of candice, its cool. Melocot

Ok, let me put it this way then, overall candice isn't getting the right reaction that I think VS intended it too. (Excuse me if I sound like a VS nerd, i've just been a fan of vs for a long time). What happened with adriana in 2003, is ofcourse happening with candice now, and started to happen for alessandra in 2006. Adriana's opening was significant, she was already a bit popular before it, she blew up right afterwards, I say right afterwards because immediately after 2003 she became who she is today and at the end vsfs people applauded her. Now ale didn't open til 2010, but I think at a point in time VS was exposing her more too and she got applauded in 2006 and she blew up. Candice opened and vs is exposing her in a way they never have before, as you mentioned to the technology, but its not doing anything. Candice is suppose to be out there by now and instead it just looks like VS is doing all this for nothing and people are tired of it because imo the way candice carries herself. So like I said candice's status isn't up there for VS to be exposing her like they are. They need to be slowing things down more because its not falling into order. And ofcourse its no secret that candice may be the best of the new angels, but that's no excuse. Ale actually has the most twitter followers out of all the angels, and then adriana is one of the most liked models on fb, if not the most liked because she has over a millions likes. But when VS had the chance to use them, they didn't. Like with the vs swim, it was brazil themed but look at how that turned or is turning out, candice is everywhere. They could have used adriana and ale way more esp since they have all the popularity and are brazilian. But they continuing with candice, things like that makes me say she is being exposed to the point where its not that logical. Usually no matter who is head angel or who is the face, VS always found a way to make things more equal with their angels still, not anymore

I think daily mail just needed some adriana lol

Sorry if i'm late about the topic candice exposure topic, I think it personally depends on the model when it comes to people complaining. People never complain about adriana being shown, but then again adriana was never shown this much either. TBH in my opinion, my opinion, candice status isn't that good as an angel as the past ones when they were her age. Like someone mentioned "they did the same with adriana when she was younger" thats true, and no one ever complained. Thats why I feel it depends on the model. Imo candice is beautiful, and the most beautiful new angel but she doesn't have "IT" yet like VS may think she does. Obviously VS sees potential, I see it once the older angels leave, but right now I honestly don't get why they have to force her in this way,this much. I mean adriana wasn't even this forced in 2003. Yes adriana opened, got her two wings as candice. But VS never gave adriana her own little videos all the time, when it came to her being in commercials adriana wasn't in more than half of them neither was she included in every campaign line VS had created. I don't even think VS is doing this just to get candice to "sell their clothes because she sell the clothes best"(imo none of the models doesn't influence a thing a costumer buys) because she is only doing videos and are in the magazines. she hasn't promoted a product in a while, she hasn't been doing any interviews for them, and you don't find her pictures in the actual stores that much. IDK why VS is exposing her the way they are but its getting under alot of people's skin. And the thing is people aren't even upset at candice its more of VS that people have the problems with. Their decisions have been OFF lately imo.

Another VS swim video was made, no adriana....ugh MAN lol. I'm tired of seeing the same angels now. They aren't that beautiful for us not to get tired of seeing them

Really love this fan vid of her, goes with her beauty, hope you enjoy!

I don't see the stomach weight gain really. As far as her face goes, I personally think that shouldn't be used as evidence because adriana's face will always look bigger at certain times. That never fails, she is never one to have a small face unless she really works hard to work out to loose weight, then her face would appear to be skinnier. But as tori pointed out those pics where she was doing those events she wasn't pregnant yet (Her face also looked like that towards the end of 2008). You just have to look beyond the face

Yeah I thought it was unclear to when valentina was actually born but I do know she was born earlier than expected

She apparently wasn't pregnant yet in pictures 3-4-5 of your post. That event was before she even eloped. Her kid's birth wasn't announced until November. She also later said that the kid was born early. I'm not saying she isn't pregnant right now, but if the information she revealed regarding her first kid's birth is accurate, then she wasn't pregnant in some of the pictures you posted. It was just a good old fashioned weight gain and she happened to fall pregnant shortly after that. Ok, your right that was just weight gain, which was ironically, just like now, about 3 months after the 2008 vsfs(most of those pics were taken in feb.), where she had also got fit and lost alot of weight. Just like this years vsfs. Couldn't it just be weight gain now? Imo her face looked bigger in those pics than it does now. Its just the VS work that adds suspension, but not too much for me because VS has been doing some activity without adriana that I don't even understand. Like that VS swim bullshit

A fan video with adriana and alessandra that I ALWAYS enjoyed, the person did a great job!

True Candice is a bombshell, adriana is an angel candice is an angel by contract, thats all i'm gonna say before someone jumps on my head

Yeah I can't with her, I need adriana to reach inside and find her inner heidi lol. Heidi hardly let some stuff stop her lol

Love how serious she looks here....

Gosh if she is pregnant its going to be a LONG year lol

IS adriana doing any other work? And the last one she did was the autograph session with miranda. and she did do a runway while pregnant with givenchy fashion show while pregnant also, *kanye shrug*

Its still kind of mysterious for me. Idk whats been going on with VS lately. I will agree that the commercial thing is an eye brow raiser. But as far as the tour thing goes, if adriana was to be pregnant she obviously isn't that far along. Back in 2008/2009, adriana was STILL doing VS events while she was pregnant. There was that what is sexy list in 2009 when she was with doutzen and you could tell she was pregnant, she was on a today show for VS as well in 2009 and you could see she was pregnant, she did an autographs section in 2009 with doutzen and looked pregnant, she was in the vintage victoria collection launch in 2009 with doutzen, she was at the beauty launch for VS in 2009, and she did an autograph section in 2009 with miranda kerr for vs and this was after word got out she was pregnant. Wait, this is the same year she had her baby anyways. Do you all have ALL the dates for the tour? Because I don't see why adriana was able to do all that work then in 2009 as well as in 2008 and she was even more far along at that moment then now/ during the tour.They haven't even been using adriana for the VS swim really, just one video compared to the other like four that everyone else was in, and we all know she had the ability at that time, Oh and a quick observation from these photos you can also see in adriana's eyes when she is pregnant they get...smaller?

Adriana is a model that takes her body seriously clearly because of the exercises she do and some of the dieting she does when she prepare for certain jobs. So I think if she was to people saying she is getting larger to the point that she is pregnant, pregnant or not, I don't think she would be exactly pleased is all i'm saying. Welp, I guess thats just me , I'm always the person that puts myself in other shoes and assumptions, I don't like. Esp. when it comes to celebs. But we will see

Imo its only not rude at all if we knew she was pregnant. But We seriously don't know. Say you was adriana, and say maybe she isn't pregnant(even IF she might be), and she reads some of this and you guys are mostly assuming her pregnancy on a physical level, and some on her activity as a model. But most of the evidence have to do with her physical appearance and "weight gain". If its not true....can you honestly say that from someone like adri's perspective it wouldn't look like criticizing on her behalf? I mean if you think she is pregnant you should emphasize why you may think that based on her less activity in vs and her agency....uh I guess "attitude" , more than just talking about the way she looks, because we don't know it could be anything and you shouldn't talk about a woman's weight so much unless its under some circumstance, the problem with that is that we don't know if that circumstance is true. Which is why i don't think you should base it off of physical appearance because It may not be taking lightly depending on the person, and bodies are tricky you never really know whats going on which is why I don't care for them on models. I think it would be easier,less critical, and way more sufficient to use things like the vs tour and her agency...you know, rather than piling up physical evidence that really could mean nothing

yes pregnancy is a beautiful and respectful thing but it would really become beautiful and respectful once you know it for sure. Look at it this why: its kind of like going up to someone who you think is pregnant because of how they look and you've always been right about someone being pregnant and you go up to them and say "congratulations, when are you due" and then the person says they aren't. (My friend mother did that before btw, and that was the outcome). Thats why you just shouldn't assume until you officially know. Because you never know...

I'm not the assuming type and I don't believe anything really until its confirmed. I'm not buying the idea based on physical means because adriana' s face is always full looking, her breast has been big for forever and her breast look like they always do. That silver dress was very form fitting, if anything it would have shown ALL you wanted know. I would like to see that blue dress pic from afar instead of upclose. and like someone said before it is kind of rude and harsh on adriana to assume something like this and she nor her agency have said anything. Because what if the confirmation never comes and it turns out it wasn't true and then you would have been basically calling her something no woman wants to be called, or atleast you would have said something no woman wants to be said about them. Esp. if she reads this forum. Non of us know her personally we don't know whats going on in her life why she is working with one thing but not the other. We don't know so its very best that we just sit back and see what happens. Hey did anyone see the adriana tweet about alicia keys and how she was beautiful. I find it ironic because they always kind of look alike to me lol

Why i'm iffy on whether or not she is pregnant: In the silver dress the only thing I can honestly say that looked big are the things that always appear to be big: Her face and her boobs. I didn't see any stomach, though her dress was very form fitting. The only time she did cover her stomach was when she had the perfume. I would have thought that meant something since you know the perfume is small but the heart was big, so the heart would draw less attention to her stomach. However she didn't try to cover it up when she had nothing in her hands, so I think that is something she does because she did something similar in 2006(Ironically the time where she gained most weight but wasn't pregnant.) Like I said before I don't see anymore stomach than I do when I always see adriana's stomach. IMO her stomach looks like it does when she was in the bikini last month. IDK about this tour thing, I haven't heard anything about it so I can't say anything about it. As far as the agency thing goes, you guys could be right about them removing the comment because of a possible pregnancy, however they could have removed it because it was rude either way. And since they are professional business it probably would have been best to just delete it rather than comment about it because its unprofessional. Basically what i'm saying is there really is hardly anything to assume because I think that what you've been saying about the "weight" gain and all that stuff could have been said about her last year, think about the incredible fragrance party, around that time. If it turns out your right, and she is pregnant then good for her because ofcourse she has another child and V has a new sibling then adri could actually have another comeback to VS and then they'll start using her more again. But personally for you all its 2008 again, I say its 2006/ early 2011 again.

I agree^^ I seen a few pics where her stomach looks like it does in the silver dress when she was in the bikini also

Is that picture new?? Reminds me of 2002 Adriana! Beautiful

Is this rumor even continuing outside of this forum?Oh well, only time can tell. I'm just already annoyed about not seeing her as much in VS already now, so if she was to get pregnant and her existence will be vanish for an even longer while. its gonna suck big time for us and VS lol

I said the same thing about the candids. Ones of the other girls are coming out and tomorrow is probably the last day, so if we don't see anything. Yeah. I think she will be in it because she is the one who first spoke of it and she lives in Miami (and is there now) for god's sake, so yeah. For some reason, the use of new girls making me think she wont be in it, but we'll see. Maybe they will shoot her where paps can't go. Another thing, if she was working out and doing these 30 one arm push ups, her ass wouldn't have put on weight. I think we can all agree on at least that much. Exactly! I believe this is Behati's only VS commercial? I've been looking through some recent ones on youtube and couldn't find any with her in them. So why use her all of a sudden?! Obviously there is no way they wouldn't use Lima, and most ESPECIALLY since Ale won't be in it. Lais Ribeiro and Erin Heatherton were also in Miami. I agree though, she LIVES in Miami! And Lima has been tweeting pretty regularly...I feel as though she would have tweeted something or VS would have had some type of coverage on Lima since she is pretty much the most popular angel. The anticipation is hard! Confirmed in VS commercial: Behati, Erin, Lais, Doutzen, Candice. No Lily and Ale for obvious reasons. No mention of dri! In that Vs swim video with behati in it, alessandra is in it also as well as lilly. The only ones left out of it are adri, miranda, and doutzen. DOutzen isn't in that vs swim commercial. Vs isn't using adriana for whatever reason during that campaigne because if they were able to squeeze ale and lilly in adriana could have be put in also I believe this is the commercial your talking about: Oh and lais isn't in this either. I think this was shot while Adriana was doing the vogue and superbowl ads and she couldn't do it because the now pregnant angels are in this commercial