Aranka

Hello to you and I for one do accept another member on BZ

You can find a survey "amongst men" to say a lot of things just by virtue of the fact that there's billions of people in the world and countless survey. What makes a survey valid is how many people were surveyed and who was surveyed. With that information, not only does the information become valid, but the other person may then adequately decide whether said stats are relevant or not. A survey 'of women' said they like 6'1 more than 6'6. That looks authoritative on its own....but the truth is only 30 women were surveyed . So, regardless of the subject matter, unless one is running a political campaign I suppose, how many and who/where are what make stats relevant. And even aside, based on not only comparing the attention they get in everyday life, but the number of women with fat bank accounts solely on the grounds of their breasts and the size they generally are, I find it hard to believe that survey represents the 'average' man. But I bet if Keeley Hazel, for example were C she wouldn't be nearly as popular and likely not famous at all. And look how much Pamela Anderson's career took off when she upgrated from C to DD and look how it went down the toilet when she took them out and overnight got back on track when she got them back. That's not to say 'every' man, but their popularity and those like them is male driven and probably a greater indication of a larger numbe of men. That's not to say one is 'better' than the other one of course. You do not need to explain scientific research to me Joe. I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself thank you. It was just that I was too bored to go explain a simple fact other people could also just look up. Besides, stating your first argument and then trying to base a claim based on examples is pretty much shooting yourself in the leg. Granted, if we bring up a statement from an external source we should give it and describe the extent of it. What do you do ? You state something and then without giving proof just name 2 people, a porn actress and a what... a singer ?? to define the general attitude towards females. I will not deny that there isn't a market for women with large breasts, like porn industry, but it is not seen as ideal or perfect girlfriend-material (or a fling must be regarded as a girlfriend) Are you not forgetting that a lot of topmodels, you being an active member of bellazon.com should know, have C or smaller breasts ?? But to explain where I got my statement from here some sites: One site Another site Another site And of course you have other articles but may I point out that these have rather economic interests related to them (like a plastic surgeon) : Stating that men prefer larger breasts Besides...all these studies are based on a Western point of view since breast size seems to be less of an issue in other cultures.

Thanks Aranka. Love your signature pic. 'Hallo' by the way, is that the correct Dutch greeting in this context? Hallo would indeed be a proper dutch greeting in this context yes And it's nice of you to comment on my signature pic

Ah, but hun you forget, in her world WE are the ignorant ones Not ignorant really...that's not the word I was looking for.

Well I personally detest Christopher Hitchens views personally. He has no intellectual depth in his work, nor does he make a strong case for atheism. Being an atheist myself I personally do not perceive there to be any atheist high priest. Rather, the arguments brought forth by various people does not need the presence of those people to still ring valid. If there is a highpriest at all, then it should be Richard Dawkins and not Christopher Hitchens. But that really goes against the sense of atheism itself since it is a set of mind that tells you that there is no one guiding your life. That you need to make the most of life itself and use youe own intellect and sense of morality to live life as best as you can. We do not long for priests....

Welcome to bellazon And about your image being a bit simplistic...it's okay...from your story we can at least tell you seem to be motivated

I'm now living in the province of Limburg, so the southern part of the Netherlands

Uhm....my contact lenses..do they count ? No, I wouldn't know...don't really wear any accesories I guess

Edita Vilkeviciute (6) Erin Heatherton (5)

Well you can't really blame us for an inapproriate question to the male gender. After all...this seems to be the "girls talk" area

Ah I think I've read it before....was it from Percy Bysshe Shelley ?? Don't know if I read it in some roman, my latin book as an example or in some compact book with references to atheistic writings (The Portable Atheist I thought it was called) since Shelley was also a well known atheist at the time with his 1811 publication of "The Necessity of Atheism". Anyway...it's certainly a nice poem about Ramses II (I guess Ozymandias was a nickname for him) and conjures up nicely the image of the fleetness of grandeur compared over time.

...Going to sleep right now

I'll rather not....hump

Also a warm welcome from me and don't listen to liika, female models are also okay Hope you have a good time here

Why is it that everytime I see the building in your avatar I have to think of a painting by Zdislaw Bekinski ??

Well let me be the first to welcome you to bellazon About fashion designers...wouldn't know really, not so interested in them myself....guess they would have threads on them though Btw, Hope you'll recover your health back soon

Just have a few things to say to this: 1) It indeed is VERY close minded to pass on global reference. Like for instance putting your own wants and desires as norm for all the women out there by stating that if woman could get a boob job 70% would take it. To summarize that...close minded does come to mind. 2) Nowhere did I say you needed breasts to get a job. If you would read carefully before commenting on something you're not even really aware of on what you're commenting you can avoid foolish errors like this. I was actually just refuting the point of someone else who stated that big breasts would get you jobs easier. 3) With regards to the self-esteem issue I'll have to disagree with you. Yes, people can be upset about certain aspects of their body. But the problem itself is not one of the flesh, but more of the mind. It isn't really a problem that one part of themselves is maybe esthetically unpleasing, but more so the PERCEPTION of it being unpleasing. People might get plastic surgery to "improve" their esthetic image, but since there is still this perception of not being on par with a sort of ideal, the low self-esteem even AFTER surgery will remain. It would be more advisable to tackle the self-image question and so digging to the root of the problem. Finally...consideration is given where it is approriate and just to hand it out. She was just asking for it by her really biased reaction.

Totally agree. The jealous ones are always the ones who look down on others. Well nowhere did I make ANY personal reference in what I was writing. But seemingly my thoughts, being just global ideas, led to such unreasonable reactions that there might be some sort of self-doubt about it which was then projected onto me for just postulating an idea out there. Anyone who looked clearly at what I read would see that it was just a general notion. I can't help it, that you all are offended at it, but I'll just write it off on personal issues. Pretty sure I will get a response now about how wrong I am on stating this or that I am full of crap but seriously, I couldn't care less for such unbased provocation. Anyway...have a good night ladies

Going to sleep right now

Uhm...Hulk Hogan ?? Seriously...wrestlers look so boring

Funny...I actually just responded to Qball who stated that having big boobs would get you more hotter guys. His comment you did not deign to react too. Now that I suddenly stated that it might actually not be the case since men declared they would like middle shaped breast you are all getting defensive and touchy about it. It's okay if certain wrong tags are placed on people just as long as you are not labelled negatively in any way right ? Personally I believe breast size is not such a major factor in getting boys. Your overall look is dependent on more factors and personality also plays a role. I would never suggest that there is like one thing which would determine one's succes on that field. With that regard I would agree with you. But really, from a psychological point of view.........your reaction surely is priceless

Girls....you all are forgetting something....you are saying they got implants AFTER getting their job ?? Doesn't that ring a bell that during a job sollicitation interview it says nothing about their prior condition ?? Besides, an open question....if you would be applying to become a doctor, a judge or for a high posting in a company would you try to cover up your curves (if you had them) a bit and try to wear modest clothing ? Now I am not saying girls with large boobs will not get a job. Surely they can...but having like a G cup will not aid your efforts on that department. And btw...don't take this as a sort of personal attack that I would somehow suggest that since you have big boobs you would be inadequate for your jobs, but I'm just stating that there might be a certain stigma attached to it in more conservative departments.

I think the mysterious part of it does not come from seeing only body parts but out of the authentic (older age) looking part of it and the clever interplay between colours in the seperate parts. But yeah.....THESE pictures do have something mysterieus

Ah yeah, you're right. Guess you shouldn't trust the internet then I guess, they make BIG errors Like here: http://guestofaguest.com/galleries/2009/11...on-show/104092/ They confused Lindsay Frimodt with Lindsay Ellington....a pretty bad thing to do if they are so much into photography