Jennka

These are all semi-actresses or semi-musicians and one attention w*ore. We´re talking about models, aren´t we?

Why stop it? I think it brings up many interesting opinions and I like good conversation a lot. First thing, I agree with you on the diversity (and I love Jarah Mariano) just like I said before and more freckles are never a bad thing too You stated many sexy women that are of different body kinds, so I think you got my point Second thing, I find Behati extremely beautiful, womanly and of endearing and great personality. Of course you don´t have to like her, but to say she looks like 10year old boy is a little bit... exaggerative and it sounds stupid (sorry). Third thing, I´m not skinny at all and I don´t find VS catalogues abusive or making me feel bad. I like to admire all the kinds of beauty and don´t feel jealous for those body types I don´t belong in. There are many other catalogues in which I found many body types by the way - at least here in my hometown I tell you one thing wildflower and please think about it really deeply. Anorexia and bulimia are illneses that come from wtihin - it´s useless to shame fashion industry for it. These are just excuses for your own defections. My friend suffered from anorexy and through that episode of her life I learned a lot. It wasn´t because of fashion or thin models - it was inside of her, it was a scream that sounded like "notice me! Look at me!". She was ill, her psychic was ill, and all she wanted was attention from her family - and the only attention she got was mine. It took a long time but finally she "healed over" - but the little girl that screams "notice me!" will stay inside of her forever and it has nothing to do with fashion industry. I highly suggest you some Freud works, it´s unbelievable how many neurosis and hysteria originates in childhood and is caused by your own family - including bulimia and anorexia. People should stop blaming others for their own mistakes and try to dedicate time to their children, and make them feel special and beautiful and learn them to value themselves. THIS is the most important thing. You cannot change the whole world - but you can change that little bit that surrounds you. I know many won´t agree with me, it´s hard to admit your own fault, and it´s always easier to say "fashion is to blame for anorexia and bulimia!" but the truth is, we have it all in our hands. It´s not like fashion designer is standing by you with gun aimed at your head screaming at ya "Don´t dare to eat it, you small fry!" is it? I´ve been admiring models for years, but never even thought about trying a single stupid diet. I didn´t see a sense in it. I still don´t. Yes, we read the mags, we see the models, you can argue with me that they create some kind of "image" of beauty - but in the end WE are those who make decisions. That´s important to realize. You cannot blame Harry Potter books for death of a kid that thought it could fly on a broom, can you? btw Shanina and Barbara are absolutely gorgeous and I love their VS pictures hella lot. And I agree that VS needs more of this and less photoshop!!!

we are! indeed, this is so true. Btw that´s why I love men so much too No, I don´t recall such thing from you You´re never and that´s great too. It doesn´t have to mean it is right. No one has to go to gym just because mags are telling us to do so - and on the other hand, I´ve always hated everything mags were telling us to do. But what is right and what is wrong I don´t know - and who knows? I know extremes are bad. Obesity is bad for your health just like anorexy or bulimia is bad for your health. Is exercising bad for your health? The extreme one is, of course. But people should learn to lead the gold middle way of everything - and more than everything - to love themselves the way they are. There is nothing wrong when you want to look better, eat healthier or exercise, but it isn´t obligation, just as long as you feel good in your body and healthy, that´s the most important thing. I don´t like people pointing fingers at other people... no matter if it´s from envy or viciousness (like "You´re so skinny! Look at you!" or "haven´t you gained weight recently? You should really start to exercise"). People will always bitch about something, there is no such thing as "perfection" in this world. And we should damn learn it. Yeah, lol I don´t think they look like that either. I too would love more diversity, I just felt like standing up for these recent girls too.

I actually quite enjoy this conversation :evil: and it´s always nice to see it living up on BZ

Is there a chance to see if some women members would not vote as men? How will we know that only women voted for women and men for men?

I have to agree here, she really looks hella great even the 47, damn.

I like (Y) If I can make a suggestion though, how about taking averages rather than totals? Example: Model A = insanely popular Model B = moderately popular Model C = not well known In round 1, Model C is bound to pick up more votes by being put together with Model A than she would with Model B. If you took averages, then everything is scaled fairly and total number of votes don't matter <_< donny, but this competition is really about popularity - not the most beautiful or with the best body, but the most popular models on this forum right now, that´s why I took on the total number of points system through the whole competition. I could create groups where the most popular would be together with the not well known models in round 1 (where you have to rate every woman from 0 to 5) so they could gain more points - if it would work, dunno? Would it be more fair? How do you mean it with the averages? Tell me more, I can take it into consideration of course.

great then it always is True. Trust me tincan, with myself having so many favs it´s almost every group in every round that makes me sad Ok, thanks those who expressed their opinions. I will not change the recent round, but in the 3.round I will follow the new rules - and the next edition will be done whole by the new rules

I really like the bodies you posted

endless beauty

Thank you Nef

thank you Francy

oh my

love all those new things, thank you

gorgeous new stuff, thank you all

Okay guys, I have a question - why do I see only women complaining on this topic and not men? It seems like women would love men to love curvy women blah blah. These points seem to be made by women members, while men members seem to stand up for the other side and take the side of the recent models. Just a point. Don´t speak for men, women! Don´t say "men want to see curvy girls in VS lingerie" but "I want to see curvy girls in VS lingerie because I want to see how I would look in VS lingerie". No? Isn´t this the point? Of course not :evil: Okay, the only thing I want to say is, that beauty is not measured by curves, ass or big/small breasts. I´m not fan of all the recent VS models, but I consider them all beautiful, no matter which size they are. "Sexy" can´t be measured by statistics and curvy woman doesn´t automatically mean sexy woman, just as skinny woman doesn´t automatically mean unappealing woman. Wildflower - please stop telling us what men want and what they preffer. Talk about yourself and don´t hide under such blahblahs. I agree with Kiki on the point that I too would love to see more diversity in VS - especially more redheads - + women of different sizes, why not but that doesn´t mean that I should go on now and insult the recent models I actually like them. I like women of all sizes but that doesn´t mean they have to be everywhere. The second fact is, like siemgi nicely objected, that these women sell fantasies. They sell "perfection". "Desire". And it seems that it works. What does majority of us do here? We admire models and their perfect bodies or/and perfect faces. That´s what they are paid for - look perfect. It´s hard to admit because most of us don´t look like these models - but that´s exactly the point - not everyone can be a model, right? The general perception of what "perfect" means is changing through times and now it seems that "perfect" means "thin", "toned", "trim" - plus "tanned" sometimes. That´s why all the gyms around the world are so damn full, that´s why all the books and videotapes on "how to stay slim and thin and toned" are so well sold. Everyone seems to be crazy about being fit and toned. And this is another fact. Of course, all this doesn´t mean "sexy". "Sexy" is something inside that shines out - and that comes in all sizes, shapes and colours. And is different for everyone. So it´s hard to say who is sexy and who is not... and it´s the highest level of stupidity to generalize such thing or say that only curvy models are sexy and all the others that are not curvy look like 10 years olds. It´s the same shit as this recent idiocy with "real women".

That would be great Pretty

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Amber Heard (7) Emma Stone (9) Charlize Theron (9) Kate Beckinsale (9) Keira Knightley (3) Odette Yustman (7) Rachel McAdams (7) Naomi Watts (7) Natalie Portman (8) Olivia Wilde (9)

Ariadne Artiles [1] Flavia de Oliveira [1] both

Great results, love these ladies

Round 56: 1. Emanuela 2. Lindsay 3. Caroline 4. Joan Round 57: 1. Miranda 2. Jac --------------------

Based on what Pheno wrote, I was thinking about the whole system. I will not change the rules of this recent edition in this second round - I´m quite eager to know how the results will look. But I was thinking about the next edition (I´d love to make at least two to three editions per year) and about the rating and eliminating system. What do you think of this format - the consequence of rounds and voting is going to be the same. 1. round - 20 groups with 5 women in each. You rate every woman from 0 to 5. Points are counted, first 60 with the biggest amount of points make it to the next round. This stays the same. 2. round - 10 groups with 6 women in each. You have 10 votes to split amongst them. Points are counted together with the points obtained in the first round - BUT - only after the round is over, 30 women with most points make it to the next round and 30 women at the bottom are eliminated no matter which group they were in. 3. round - 10 groups with 3 women in each. You have to choose only one woman from those three. In the end of the round, points are counted together with the points from the previous rounds and first 10 women with the most points make it to the final round. 4. round - final one - you have 10 women. Organize your "TOP 10". Women will obtain points according to the placing in your top tens. Points are counted together with the points from the previous rounds, and the final top 10 will be made. This too, stays the same. Do you approve of this format or do you like this recent one more? Please tell me. Because in this recent format we´re doing now, the 3.round 2 women will be eliminated and one goes on from each group - no matter if there are women in other groups with more points. I can still change this rule, if you guys want me to. What do you think?

+ she seems to be really kind hearted person - I love her smile and I love the fact she smiles a lot.