Also something we're not talking about, did Joan accuse Candice of using drugs? I know Candice is addicted to the vape, but I don't know what Joan meant by her comment, it was written very confusing

Also, I hope Joan is still in the fight, she posted this

3 hours ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

I am actually a huge fan of Candice, but I don't think she is what everyone thinks she is, especially after this whole story is coming out

I don't think the Kanye / Candice of it all is a conspiracy, if you search their names together on Reddit, there is very compelling evidence from DeuxMoi

Joan seems to be the common denominator between Candice and Tom, which is why I think they were introduced by her, if Joan was seeing him on and off for almost a year, they probably met at some point I feel like, it would be weird if she hadn't already met him, and then went after him when he was done with Joan

I really do hope Joan is inserting herself back in the drama, Candice and Tom are too private, she's the only way we're gonna find anything out

As for Candice and Tom, if they've been sleeping together since April, they've been going for 7 months, that's actually a really long time, as for whether or not it's serious, I think Candice does like having casual sex with men, like she was doing with Harry Styles for months, I think she has said in an interview before that she loves sex

I think when she's not working, Tom is probably the only person she hangs out with, she has all day to spend with him when her kids are at school, she probably spends the day with Tom and afternoons and nights with her kids

So I think their relationship is actually serious, I do understand though why people don't like him for her, I also feel kinda sad she's with a dude that's going around fucking tons of women, I also didn't like her being with Harry Styles for the same reason, but maybe she's fine with it, maybe she doesn't want something serious, maybe she's just good with casual sex

Sooner or later we will probably find out because of Joan. But it’s sad that Candice is distancing herself from all her friends because of a man, especially for a man that loves to sleep around. I mean the whole summer both were in different locations. Candice reps already gave a statement not confirming or denying anything with Tom. Just that Candice will not speak out of her respect for the friendship they once had. Yes, there’s two sides to every story but I feel no matter what, Candice will be affected more than tom and Joan. Everyone is just going to be congratulating tom on adding more VS models to his list. At the end this relationship if there’s still a relationship will not be worth it.

5 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

Also something we're not talking about, did Joan accuse Candice of using drugs? I know Candice is addicted to the vape, but I don't know what Joan meant by her comment, it was written very confusing

Also, I hope Joan is still in the fight, she posted this

She didn’t name no names but alluded it might be Candice but not sure. At this point, they should just say what really happened. There’s more to this.

18 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

I don't think Candice cares about the drama, she's taking a page out of the Taylor Swift playbook, give them nothing, and they have nothing to talk about

As for not being tied down to one woman, that's hard to know, I think it's really weird that he was running around Europe partying and yachting for a bit in the summer if he was also seeing Candice

I think when he hooked up with Alix Earl, they probably had the, "what is this conversation," because it did probably just start off as casual sex, but if they kept going, I think it's probably serious now, I think they're in it for the long haul, which I ALSO THINK, she could do better, on Reddit everybody is saying she has bad taste in men, I kinda have to agree 🫠🫠🫠

I don't think Tom cares about what his kids think, I don't know much about Tom or his life or football career, but wasn't he criticized for putting football above his family, isn't that why Gisele divorced him, because he just did whatever he wanted instead of what she was asking of him

He gave a statement how the divorce and a roast he did affected his children. I still believe this is a casual sex thing only that’s why Candice does not seem to care. It seems both do what they want which might include sleeping around. We will have to see later on whether both tom and Candice are still together. But I have to be honest, fighting over a MAN that probably doesn’t give a shit about either Joan or Candice is embarrassing.

4 hours ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

Man, I feel like Candice did Joan dirty af, also, I feel like PR is trying to spin this, "set up by mutual friends" SHE KNEW HIM THROUGH JOAN LMAO WTF

Ultimately, the key to all of this is whether it's really true that, during whatever relationship Joan had with Brady, Candice was pressuring and manipulating her to break up with Brady. If that's true, there's no way it isn't a really dirty move on Candice's part.

If she didn’t intervene, well, I guess it comes down to each person’s own code of friendship. Even without Candice getting involved, some of us believe you shouldn’t date a friend’s ex, especially when it’s so recent. But if she did push Joan to break up with Brady so she could start dating him? That would be unquestionably evil on Candice’s part, it sounds like the plot of a soap opera where Candice is the villain lol.

30 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

یه چیزی هم هست که بحثش جداست، آیا جوآن کندیس رو به مصرف مواد مخدر متهم کرده؟ می‌دونم کندیس به سیگار الکترونیکی معتاده، اما نمی‌دونم منظور جوآن از حرفش چی بوده، خیلی گیج‌کننده نوشته شده بود.

همچنین، امیدوارم جوآن هنوز در مبارزه باشد، او این را پست کرد

Joan stated that the "illegal drugs" might actually be steroid hormones, rather than narcotics. Candice previously used marijuana, which is legal.

47 minutes ago, Westside said:

Sooner or later we will probably find out because of Joan. But it’s sad that Candice is distancing herself from all her friends because of a man, especially for a man that loves to sleep around. I mean the whole summer both were in different locations. Candice reps already gave a statement not confirming or denying anything with Tom. Just that Candice will not speak out of her respect for the friendship they once had. Yes, there’s two sides to every story but I feel no matter what, Candice will be affected more than tom and Joan. Everyone is just going to be congratulating tom on adding more VS models to his list. At the end this relationship if there’s still a relationship will not be worth it.

She didn’t name no names but alluded it might be Candice but not sure. At this point, they should just say what really happened. There’s more to this.

38 minutes ago, Westside said:

He gave a statement how the divorce and a roast he did affected his children. I still believe this is a casual sex thing only that’s why Candice does not seem to care. It seems both do what they want which might include sleeping around. We will have to see later on whether both tom and Candice are still together. But I have to be honest, fighting over a MAN that probably doesn’t give a shit about either Joan or Candice is embarrassing.

32 minutes ago, Csalir said:

Ultimately, the key to all of this is whether it's really true that, during whatever relationship Joan had with Brady, Candice was pressuring and manipulating her to break up with Brady. If that's true, there's no way it isn't a really dirty move on Candice's part.

If she didn’t intervene, well, I guess it comes down to each person’s own code of friendship. Even without Candice getting involved, some of us believe you shouldn’t date a friend’s ex, especially when it’s so recent. But if she did push Joan to break up with Brady so she could start dating him? That would be unquestionably evil on Candice’s part, it sounds like the plot of a soap opera where Candice is the villain lol.

Yeah, it really is sad she gave up her friendship with Joan, for a guy that sleeps around, I think that is a really crazy choice, which also makes me think she's really serious about being with him, you don't sacrifice so much, unless you want something really bad

Also, if she was in Baker's Bay, she at least spent some of her summer with Tom Brady

I hate that Joan is being so cryptic, like GIRL, USE YOUR WORDS, COME ON, JUST SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY 🙃

I agree fighting over a man is embarassing, any man, especially this man who screws around so much, and was sleeping with your FRIEND, ON AND OFF FOR A YEAR, that's so crazy to me

I agree, if she pushed Joan to break up with him so she could have him herself, is super evil, if she didn't and just swooped in after the fact, that's also pretty bad, not to consider your friends feelings

We have so little information it's driving me bananas

I HOPE DEUXMOI TALKS ABOUT THIS ON HER PODCAST 😭 but the way things are going, I don't think she'll have any good information, these are all very private people

9 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

Yeah, it really is sad she gave up her friendship with Joan, for a guy that sleeps around, I think that is a really crazy choice, which also makes me think she's really serious about being with him, you don't sacrifice so much, unless you want something really bad

Also, if she was in Baker's Bay, she at least spent some of her summer with Tom Brady

I hate that Joan is being so cryptic, like GIRL, USE YOUR WORDS, COME ON, JUST SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY 🙃

I agree fighting over a man is embarassing, any man, especially this man who screws around so much, and was sleeping with your FRIEND, ON AND OFF FOR A YEAR, that's so crazy to me

I agree, if she pushed Joan to break up with him so she could have him herself, is super evil, if she didn't and just swooped in after the fact, that's also pretty bad, not to consider your friends feelings

We have so little information it's driving me bananas

I HOPE DEUXMOI TALKS ABOUT THIS ON HER PODCAST 😭 but the way things are going, I don't think she'll have any good information, these are all very private people

Candice was in Baker's Bay with her family. He was in France with his family and friends. There were plenty of paparazzi photos of him. Her parents came to Miami after Ariel's birthday and I think stayed through August. Her dad was at the Brazil-Scotland world cup game.

5 hours ago, summerc said:

I'm not sure why you're intent on believing the absolute worst of Candice, and the absolute best of Joan. Even regarding the Kanye West rumors, you created a conspiracy that Candice must have been lying to her Dad, or her Dad must have been lying for her—it seems the only time you're willing to take something at face value is when it's negative for Candice. I'm also not sure why you've concluded Joan introduced Candice and Tom? Joan has never implied it, nor have the tabloids. Candice and Tom both live in Miami, they're both rich, I'm sure they have mutual friends outside of Joan.

With this latest Page Six reporting, it's starting to feel like Joan is self-inserting herself back into the drama. Is she upset because the attention was no longer on her? Is this feud the only thing she has going for her? I understand she hasn't had this much media attention or been very relevant in years, but she needs to move on. Telling their mutual friends to choose sides is high school, it's immature—and outside of Joan's immediate inner circle, I don't think it will fly with anyone else. I think most of us agree Candice is better off without Joan's inner circle 🤷‍♀️

I get the sense from Candice's PR statement that there's something she could reveal that wouldn't put Joan in the best light, but she's holding out of respect for their former friendship—and it lines up with Ali's stories shading Joan, and Candice's recent likes on Instagram. There are two sides to every story, and I doubt Joan's telling of events is the entire truth.

Anyway, whatever Candice and Tom's current involvement is, I doubt it will last much longer given the media attention. I also doubt the seriousness of it, period—Candice spending almost a week in Abu Dhabi now, doesn't exactly seem like the actions of a woman trying to keep an eye on Tom.

Another post Candice has liked recently:

I agree. Whatever precautions they took to avoid the media before, they'll have to increase it exponentially. Joan definitely wants to make the situation uncomfortable and lead them to breaking up. She knows Candice well enough to know that she probably hates her personal life being plastered all over social media.

I found some more posts from that account Candice liked:

4 hours ago, summerc said:

This is all predicated on Joan's telling of events to be the full and honest truth... and given Joan's reputation, penchant for drama, and attention seeking ways, I doubt it is.

Candice and Joan definitely had a falling out in May, but I don't think it was that serious yet. Dawn was still supporting Tropic Of C over summer, and Katiely was at Costa Brazil x Tropic Of C's New York event in July. Something seems to have triggered Joan more recently... and it appears it was Candice unfollowing her 💀

Does anyone else think there's an unspoken Shaffer element to this? Besides Joan, Shaffer is the only member of Joan's circle that Candice has unfollowed, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Something about Joan and Shaffer's "friendship" has always struck me as odd—even when Candice and Shaffer were together, it always appeared that Joan and Shaffer were the couple. Strangely enough, even after Candice and Shaffer unfollowed each other, he's still following soulofswanepoel.

Pre-Tom drama, Candice and Joan's friendship seems to have grown a little distant since Candice broke up with Shaffer—they were mostly seen together for work/work-adjacent events, and if I recall correctly, they weren't seen together at all this year. I know we'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shaffer was the first issue to arise in their friendship.

I think the Shaffer element is interesting, Candice never seemed interested in him. It was strange when she posted that kissing photo for his birthday because she's typically private about who she dates. They went on holiday a few times alone and with the kids. For the New Year's Ever holiday, it looked more like he and Joan were dating. They were always more affectionate with each other than Candice ever was with him. Something definitely happened since they both have now unfollowed each other.

4 hours ago, bsmithfield said:

Candice being in Abu Dhabi and attending that UFC event further proves her connection to Tom. UFC is controlled by WME/TKO which is controlled by Silver Lake Equity (which is owned by Egon Durban). Egon Durban is a close business partner of Tom’s. Egon Durban and Tom both own stakes in the Las Vegad Raiders. Egon is essentially the real owner of UFC and will do whatever Tom tells him, because Brady got Egon into the Raiders ownership at a massive discount. Brady had UFC pay Candice a bunch of money if she attended that event and posted about it

I know other models have done the same, but I thought it was super random that she was in Abu Dhabi promoting their tourism and attending UFC. This all makes sense now. I think Tom knows Ali from when Gisele was represented by The Lions. But it looks like he recently followed him in February or some time after that...

11 minutes ago, db92 said:

Candice was in Baker's Bay with her family. He was in France with his family and friends. There were plenty of paparazzi photos of him. Her parents came to Miami after Ariel's birthday and I think stayed through August. Her dad was at the Brazil-Scotland world cup game.

I agree. Whatever precautions they took to avoid the media before, they'll have to increase it exponentially. Joan definitely wants to make the situation uncomfortable and lead them to breaking up. She knows Candice well enough to know that she probably hates her personal life being plastered all over social media.

I found some more posts from that account Candice liked:

I think the Shaffer element is interesting, Candice never seemed interested in him. It was strange when she posted that kissing photo for his birthday because she's typically private about who she dates. They went on holiday a few times alone and with the kids. For the New Year's Ever holiday, it looked more like he and Joan were dating. They were always more affectionate with each other than Candice ever was with him. Something definitely happened since they both have now unfollowed each other.

I know other models have done the same, but I thought it was super random that she was in Abu Dhabi promoting their tourism and attending UFC. This all makes sense now. Tom knows Ali from when Gisele was represented by The Lions.

1) I know it's widely assumed Candice and her family were in Baker's Bay at Tom's invitation, but isn't it possible she knows someone else with a home in Baker's Bay? Candice, her dad, and the boys were at the Brazil-Scotland World Cup game with Jerome, Lais, and others in June... ironically, the tabloids claim she was with Tom, but the evidence shows otherwise 💀

2) MTE. Candice's first and main priority has always been the boys. There's little to no chance she continues seeing Tom if it negatively affects the boys.

I didn't scroll through the account to see if Candice liked any other posts, but that's interesting... combined with the PR statement, I think it's safe to assume there's A LOT Candice isn't saying. I have the impression Joan is trying to bully Candice into silence so Candice doesn't reveal negative stories about Joan herself.

3) I always had the impression Joan influenced and/or pressed for the Candice and Shaffer relationship, especially considering Shaffer, in no way, is Candice's usual type. Joan has always been bizarrely affectionate and/or intimate with Shaffer, especially while he and Candice were together. I wouldn't be surprised if Joan broke this so-called "girl code" first, but Candice prioritized their friendship. It would explain why Candice may have thought hooking up with Tom was okay. Candice unfollowed Shaffer yesterday (?), and he unfollowed her today... he still follows soulofswanepoel, though. Which is weird.

4) Candice was at the UFC event with Valentina Micchetti, the founder of a PR consulting agency. She organized Candice's appearance at the Rolex Monte-Carlo Masters tournament in 2024, and her PR consulting agency reposted Candice's recent visitabudhabi post to stories. I don't think Candice needed Tom's help to get this job.

Not related, but Candice's Monot campaign, shot in November/December 2025, was shot in collaboration with visitqatar, so I don't think it's that random for Candice to do some tourism promotion.

20 minutes ago, summerc said:

1) I know it's widely assumed Candice and her family were in Baker's Bay at Tom's invitation, but isn't it possible she knows someone else with a home in Baker's Bay? Candice, her dad, and the boys were at the Brazil-Scotland World Cup game with Jerome, Lais, and others in June... ironically, the tabloids claim she was with Tom, but the evidence shows otherwise 💀

2) MTE. Candice's first and main priority has always been the boys. There's little to no chance she continues seeing Tom if it negatively affects the boys.

I didn't scroll through the account to see if Candice liked any other posts, but that's interesting... combined with the PR statement, I think it's safe to assume there's A LOT Candice isn't saying. I have the impression Joan is trying to bully Candice into silence so Candice doesn't reveal negative stories about Joan herself.

3) I always had the impression Joan influenced and/or pressed for the Candice and Shaffer relationship, especially considering Shaffer, in no way, is Candice's usual type. Joan has always been bizarrely affectionate and/or intimate with Shaffer, especially while he and Candice were together. I wouldn't be surprised if Joan broke this so-called "girl code" first, but Candice prioritized their friendship. It would explain why Candice may have thought hooking up with Tom was okay. Candice unfollowed Shaffer yesterday (?), and he unfollowed her today... he still follows soulofswanepoel, though. Which is weird.

4) Candice was at the UFC event with Valentina Micchetti, the founder of a PR consulting agency. She organized Candice's appearance at the Rolex Monte-Carlo Masters tournament in 2024, and her PR consulting agency reposted Candice's recent visitabudhabi post to stories. I don't think Candice needed Tom's help to get this job.

Not related, but Candice's Monot campaign, shot in November/December 2025, was shot in collaboration with visitqatar, so I don't think it's that random for Candice to do some tourism promotion.

I feel there’s more to this Joan and Candice feud. Not going to lie but I refuse to believe they are fighting over a MAN. It just so childish and high school like.

14 minutes ago, summerc said:

1) I know it's widely assumed Candice and her family were in Baker's Bay at Tom's invitation, but isn't it possible she knows someone else with a home in Baker's Bay? Candice, her dad, and the boys were at the Brazil-Scotland World Cup game with Jerome, Lais, and others in June... ironically, the tabloids claim she was with Tom, but the evidence shows otherwise 💀

2) MTE. Candice's first and main priority has always been the boys. There's little to no chance she continues seeing Tom if it negatively affects the boys.

I didn't scroll through the account to see if Candice liked any other posts, but that's interesting... combined with the PR statement, I think it's safe to assume there's A LOT Candice isn't saying. I have the impression Joan is trying to bully Candice into silence so Candice doesn't reveal negative stories about Joan herself.

3) I always had the impression Joan influenced and/or pressed for the Candice and Shaffer relationship, especially considering Shaffer, in no way, is Candice's usual type. Joan has always been bizarrely affectionate and/or intimate with Shaffer, especially while he and Candice were together. I wouldn't be surprised if Joan broke this so-called "girl code" first, but Candice prioritized their friendship. It would explain why Candice may have thought hooking up with Tom was okay. Candice unfollowed Shaffer yesterday (?), and he unfollowed her today... he still follows soulofswanepoel, though. Which is weird.

4) Candice was at the UFC event with Valentina Micchetti, the founder of a PR consulting agency. She organized Candice's appearance at the Rolex Monte-Carlo Masters tournament in 2024, and her PR consulting agency reposted Candice's recent visitabudhabi post to stories. I don't think Candice needed Tom's help to get this job.

Not related, but Candice's Monot campaign, shot in November/December 2025, was shot in collaboration with visitqatar, so I don't think it's that random for Candice to do some tourism promotion.

I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that they were both at several World Cup matches this summer but weren’t seen together. If, as everything suggests, they wanted to keep their relationship very private, it’s only natural that they wouldn’t be seen together at events like a World Cup match, which draws so many people and cameras, especially if one of them is Tom Brady, who is hounded by cameras at any public event he attends in the United States. Or at the after-party for the Gucci show. I mean, just because you’re dating someone doesn’t mean you have to stick close to that person at every event you both attend, even more if you want to keep the relationship a secret. Apparently, they’re spending quite a bit of time together since they live in Miami, so they don’t really need to be together at a football game or an after-party, they already see each other a lot in much more discreet and private settings, like the exclusive gated community where he lives, where they won’t have to hide.

Very little is known about Candice and Shaffer's relationship. It was all a bit strange. But to suggest that Joan might have slept with Shaffer while he was with Candice, I think that's going too far, given that there's no evidence to support it.

As for Candice and the promotional campaigns in countries like the United Arab Emirates or Qatar, I agree. These countries have always turned to all kinds of celebrities to whitewash their dictatorial image. Setting aside whatever moral stance each person may have about taking money from dictatorships, plenty of models (Adriana, Alessandra, Sara Sampaio and many more) and celebrities have participated in similar campaigns and they had nothing to do with Brady.

Whatsup with the bodybuilding prep competition look though. Doesn't look very appealing to me Rosie looks much better.

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52 minutes ago, summerc said:

1) I know it's widely assumed Candice and her family were in Baker's Bay at Tom's invitation, but isn't it possible she knows someone else with a home in Baker's Bay? Candice, her dad, and the boys were at the Brazil-Scotland World Cup game with Jerome, Lais, and others in June... ironically, the tabloids claim she was with Tom, but the evidence shows otherwise 💀

2) MTE. Candice's first and main priority has always been the boys. There's little to no chance she continues seeing Tom if it negatively affects the boys.

I didn't scroll through the account to see if Candice liked any other posts, but that's interesting... combined with the PR statement, I think it's safe to assume there's A LOT Candice isn't saying. I have the impression Joan is trying to bully Candice into silence so Candice doesn't reveal negative stories about Joan herself.

3) I always had the impression Joan influenced and/or pressed for the Candice and Shaffer relationship, especially considering Shaffer, in no way, is Candice's usual type. Joan has always been bizarrely affectionate and/or intimate with Shaffer, especially while he and Candice were together. I wouldn't be surprised if Joan broke this so-called "girl code" first, but Candice prioritized their friendship. It would explain why Candice may have thought hooking up with Tom was okay. Candice unfollowed Shaffer yesterday (?), and he unfollowed her today... he still follows soulofswanepoel, though. Which is weird.

4) Candice was at the UFC event with Valentina Micchetti, the founder of a PR consulting agency. She organized Candice's appearance at the Rolex Monte-Carlo Masters tournament in 2024, and her PR consulting agency reposted Candice's recent visitabudhabi post to stories. I don't think Candice needed Tom's help to get this job.

Not related, but Candice's Monot campaign, shot in November/December 2025, was shot in collaboration with visitqatar, so I don't think it's that random for Candice to do some tourism promotion.

I looked up who has homes on Baker's Bay, and the only one that would be plausible is Tom Brady. Plus, I doubt she would have made her dad delete the photo he posted if she wasn't trying to be secretive and not let people make any connections especially later on.

Yeah, there's only so much she can do to protect her sons. I guess it's a good thing that they're still too young for social media. There's definitely alot to the story that we don't know. Joan will dangle the prospect of releasing things in order to keep people in check. Candice has more to lose than Joan.

Joan for sure pushed Candice and Shaffer together. I guess she thought she'd try it out since they were in the same friend group, and it didn't appear she'd been in a relationship since Andres. Obviously it didn't work out, and it seemed like things were fine. He still liked her posts. The strange part was when he started following different fan accounts. I don't think anything ever happened between Joan and Shaffer. I just think they were overly friendly, and Shaffer and Candice weren't compatible.

Ah I didn't know that. I knew Brady was friends with Dana White so I assumed that connection. But this makes sense. I wonder what else she's been up to.

14 minutes ago, db92 said:

I looked up who has homes on Baker's Bay, and the only one that would be plausible is Tom Brady. Plus, I doubt she would have made her dad delete the photo he posted if she wasn't trying to be secretive and not let people make any connections especially later on.

Yeah, there's only so much she can do to protect her sons. I guess it's a good thing that they're still too young for social media. There's definitely alot to the story that we don't know. Joan will dangle the prospect of releasing things in order to keep people in check. Candice has more to lose than Joan.

Joan for sure pushed Candice and Shaffer together. I guess she thought she'd try it out since they were in the same friend group, and it didn't appear she'd been in a relationship since Andres. Obviously it didn't work out, and it seemed like things were fine. He still liked her posts. The strange part was when he started following different fan accounts. I don't think anything ever happened between Joan and Shaffer. I just think they were overly friendly, and Shaffer and Candice weren't compatible.

Ah I didn't know that. I knew Brady was friends with Dana White so I assumed that connection. But this makes sense. I wonder what else she's been up to.

What photo was deleted?

50 minutes ago, Westside said:

I feel there’s more to this Joan and Candice feud. Not going to lie but I refuse to believe they are fighting over a MAN. It just so childish and high school like.

+1. The current narrative definitely suits Joan's narrative to portray herself as the victim, but Ali's stories + Candice's recent likes imply there's something deeper.

I don't think Candice was a particularly great friend in this Joan x Candice x Tom saga, but I have the growing suspicion Joan herself wasn't the greatest friend to Candice, either.

47 minutes ago, Csalir said:

I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that they were both at several World Cup matches this summer but weren’t seen together. If, as everything suggests, they wanted to keep their relationship very private, it’s only natural that they wouldn’t be seen together at events like a World Cup match, which draws so many people and cameras, especially if one of them is Tom Brady, who is hounded by cameras at any public event he attends in the United States. Or at the after-party for the Gucci show. I mean, just because you’re dating someone doesn’t mean you have to stick close to that person at every event you both attend, even more if you want to keep the relationship a secret. Apparently, they’re spending quite a bit of time together since they live in Miami, so they don’t really need to be together at a football game or an after-party, they already see each other a lot in much more discreet and private settings, like the exclusive gated community where he lives, where they won’t have to hide.

Very little is known about Candice and Shaffer's relationship. It was all a bit strange. But to suggest that Joan might have slept with Shaffer while he was with Candice, I think that's going too far, given that there's no evidence to support it.

As for Candice and the promotional campaigns in countries like the United Arab Emirates or Qatar, I agree. These countries have always turned to all kinds of celebrities to whitewash their dictatorial image. Setting aside whatever moral stance each person may have about taking money from dictatorships, plenty of models (Adriana, Alessandra, Sara Sampaio and many more) and celebrities have participated in similar campaigns and they had nothing to do with Brady.

5 minutes ago, db92 said:

I looked up who has homes on Baker's Bay, and the only one that would be plausible is Tom Brady. Plus, I doubt she would have made her dad delete the photo he posted if she wasn't trying to be secretive and not let people make any connections especially later on.

Yeah, there's only so much she can do to protect her sons. I guess it's a good thing that they're still too young for social media. There's definitely alot to the story that we don't know. Joan will dangle the prospect of releasing things in order to keep people in check. Candice has more to lose than Joan.

Joan for sure pushed Candice and Shaffer together. I guess she thought she'd try it out since they were in the same friend group, and it didn't appear she'd been in a relationship since Andres. Obviously it didn't work out, and it seemed like things were fine. He still liked her posts. The strange part was when he started following different fan accounts. I don't think anything ever happened between Joan and Shaffer. I just think they were overly friendly, and Shaffer and Candice weren't compatible.

Ah I didn't know that. I knew Brady was friends with Dana White so I assumed that connection. But this makes sense. I wonder what else she's been up to.

By breaking "girl code", I didn't necessarily mean to imply Joan slept with Shaffer, but just that post-breakup, she may have prioritized Shaffer's feelings before Candice's and/or held a grudge against Candice for not making the relationship work. I do find the way Joan and Shaffer were with each other during Candice and Shaffer's relationship bizarre, and I find it extremely strange he started following fan accounts post-breakup. I find it even more strange that he's still following soulofswanepoel after he and Candice unfollowed each other. There's something about it that all feels very toxic, especially considering soulofswanepoel works for Tropic Of C.

I agree. Joan will probably continue posting cryptic stories/posts to keep people interested, but I don't think she'll say anything else directly. It's like when she threatened to expose an IMG Senior Manager for making racist marks, and never followed through.

Everything else aside, I wonder if Candice is shooting something while she's in Abu Dhabi, or if it's just a tourism promotion trip?

38 minutes ago, ThorGod said:

Whatsup with the bodybuilding prep competition look though. Doesn't look very appealing to me Rosie looks much better.

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I've seen similar comments on X about both Candice and Rosie's appearances this year. As women age (I'm not calling Candice or Rosie "old" by any means), it's healthier in the long run to start strength training and lifting heavier... I don't see a problem. I think they both look amazing.

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Guys… This must be hell for someone as private as Candice 😬

1 hour ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

What photo was deleted?

Her dad posted a photo of the pool at the beach club with word "Bahamas". It was deleated a few hours after posting.

1 hour ago, summerc said:

+1. The current narrative definitely suits Joan's narrative to portray herself as the victim, but Ali's stories + Candice's recent likes imply there's something deeper.

I don't think Candice was a particularly great friend in this Joan x Candice x Tom saga, but I have the growing suspicion Joan herself wasn't the greatest friend to Candice, either.

By breaking "girl code", I didn't necessarily mean to imply Joan slept with Shaffer, but just that post-breakup, she may have prioritized Shaffer's feelings before Candice's and/or held a grudge against Candice for not making the relationship work. I do find the way Joan and Shaffer were with each other during Candice and Shaffer's relationship bizarre, and I find it extremely strange he started following fan accounts post-breakup. I find it even more strange that he's still following soulofswanepoel after he and Candice unfollowed each other. There's something about it that all feels very toxic, especially considering soulofswanepoel works for Tropic Of C.

I agree. Joan will probably continue posting cryptic stories/posts to keep people interested, but I don't think she'll say anything else directly. It's like when she threatened to expose an IMG Senior Manager for making racist marks, and never followed through.

Everything else aside, I wonder if Candice is shooting something while she's in Abu Dhabi, or if it's just a tourism promotion trip?

Candice definitely tried to make it work. She went to Colorado with him and the kids over Christmas Break. He was at her house with his friend, Lenny. She followed Las Lap Miami on instagram to support his business venture. But he wasn't her type so I'm not surprised it didn't work. And to be fair, Tom isn't her usual type either, but they have alot in common so I'm not surprised that they get along.

I feel like things are different now for Joan. She seems genuinely angry and ready to let things burn.

9 minutes ago, db92 said:

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Guys… This must be hell for someone as private as Candice 😬

I need all of these outlets to stop reggurgetating the same information, and GET ME SOME FUCKING DETAILS 😊

6 minutes ago, db92 said:

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Guys… This must be hell for someone as private as Candice 😬

And I mean... did Candice really think it was going to be any different? Because she knows Joan infinitely better than all of us put together, she knows her personality, so I don't think she's surprised that Joan reacted that way to what Joan believes (whether rightly or wrongly) is a serious betrayal by one of her best friends. If you throw in the fact that the man they’ve been fighting over is Tom Brady, one of the most popular celebrities in the United States, the media frenzy multiplies by 1,000. I don’t know if this is hell for Candice, but it’s kind of like she’s brought this on herself.

9 minutes ago, Csalir said:

And I mean... did Candice really think it was going to be any different? Because she knows Joan infinitely better than all of us put together, she knows her personality, so I don't think she's surprised that Joan reacted that way to what Joan believes (whether rightly or wrongly) is a serious betrayal by one of her best friends. If you throw in the fact that the man they’ve been fighting over is Tom Brady, one of the most popular celebrities in the United States, the media frenzy multiplies by 1,000. I don’t know if this is hell for Candice, but it’s kind of like she’s brought this on herself.

She was sleeping with Harry Styles for months and it went completely under the radar, I think he's more famous than Tom Brady? I'm not sure, I don't really know much about him either

But the Joan angle, man I hope she spills as much as possible, she probably knows so much about Candice, and if she feels super mad about it, who knows what we might get 🤗🤗🤗

I'm not saying this in like, a malicious way about Candice, but we don't actually know anything about her beyond really surface level stuff ya know, Joan actually KNOWS Candice