February 28, 201114 yr Thedarknv I never said Natalia was a bad mother! Of course NOT!My reply was just to people who say Justin is not present enough or left them fending for themselves. (and remember that is a rumour) We don't know why they don't live together anymore, who left who or why. What I'm saying is: Natalia is not a perfect mother either. She chooses business over her family many times. That is her choice. (and it's fine) Justin doesn't have to work, he has family money. Good for him. Nothing to be criticized there either. I don't agree that Natalia needs to work to support her family. She earns millions for contracts. She could support 10 families with one campaign and still have enough for herself. I know she says she wants to stay in the limelight for her foundation, but i don't believe her. It is partly, probably, but only for a small part. I have always perceived her as a career driven business woman. And she has been very good at it. As i said in an older post: many people in this world do charity and dirty their hands, and they are not attending parties or being on red carpets!If she feels lonely as she says, I think it would be good to be home more often with all of her children instead of attending a party on the other side of the world. That is just my opinion. And I am sure that, even if Justin is now separated from her, he hasn't left her with no money. He has always been a gentleman from what i have seen of him.
February 28, 201114 yr Aliceinfashionland, Cachet, thank you for making me realize my words had been too hard on Justin and mainly based on an unpleasant "feeling" I get, but that I must not mix it up with the real situation I actually know nothing about. I'm just so sad. So I edited my post #8475.And I hope Natalia in surronunded by all her beloved ones today and that she feels real good.
February 28, 201114 yr I just wish they could work it out, have a fresh start, be WILLING to forgive. And who knows - maybe they are on the better terms than we think, Justin just loving seclusion at the moment. There is such a thing as overexposure - especially for a person who never sought it in the first place.Pautinka, I wish you were right. Thank you for your positive input.
February 28, 201114 yr Aliceinfashionland:Yes, it was inappropriate for the event she take your child, when she is dressed well. Separations are also guilty of the two.Is also true that Justin was supportive to Natalia for a long time, but it was a support company.It is not just to support to Natalia by feel sympathy for her.I do not agree to his comments that Natalia could be a bad mother, just to be working, is quite the opposite is very good mother. Yes, natalia travels all the time, and that may occasions that are not with their children all the time, but is working. Someone has to work in the family Portman - Vodianova.Natalia had not the luck of Justin, of born into a rich family, where you just have to make a call to mom and brother and will give all the money you need ...Natalia a lot of money, but not enough to stay home all the time and live without working, she not only has to care their children, but by his sisters, grandparents and possibly your mother. Natalia's children will not need to work as his father, maybe Natalia wants to give the example: If you want something in life, you have to go to work to fight for it.Natalia can be away from home for work, but Justin is away from home just for fun .... which is worse? natalia's coming to work or leaving Justin to have fun.Natalia can tell their kids, I'm going for a while because I have to work, but Justin?, and will tell their kids, I'm going for a long time because I want to have fun ajajajaajaRemember that separation is two, because the children are also of the two: mom and dad. And both have the same obligations and responsibilities to children, not just the mother.If Natalia is ambitious and wants to be known, popular and be powerful. But not just for her benefit, but to benefit mainly to its foundation. The more famous and popular is, can raise more money for his foundation and if she is thinking all the time on that, how to get more money for his foundation.So she the more popular and well known is, the more "ambitious", as more playgrounds for children will be in Russia and the new project of his foundation, disabled children have a decent life.Imagine Natalia says she feels lonely and she's married! hahahaha But sometimes not to feel you just, have to take the time on other things: work.Yes TheDarkNV, there's certainly not ONE reason to their separation, but a lot of intermingled ones, with responsabilities on both sides. As in most separations. And I guess their problems had started to appear several years ago. Even before Neva's birth, Natalia was complaining (half-joking) in an interview saying she didn't know where Justin was "certainly playing chess on his computer, I think I'm gonna ask for divorce". This is just an example but if you re-read old interviews, you'll find little "sweet and funny" hints which were maybe not so light as it seemed. And also of Justin complaining about Natalia (of course much less as he was never really interviewed, but I found one or two).I think Natalia works as much as she does because she has been knowing poverty and is SCARED by it, for her, for her whole family, as TheDarkNV puts it. And yes she is terribly ambitious (a bit too much ? I don't know) but I guess she realizes life is short, and that she has to get the best of it, and that what she achieved already is not enough yet, that she is almost 30, that life can bring the best as the worse, and that she has a revenge to take on it. Anyway, I must correct what I wrote some days ago (I did) and add that whatever the distance can be between Justin and the kids, I imagine he did the necessary for Natalia to get all the money she wants for their comfort and education, and certainly also for hers. But I guess Natalia has pride and honor enough not to rely on a man's money, even if he's her husband. Oh and I want to add : how much drown their marriage can be, I don't know why, but I get the feeling both Natalia and Justin still keep some kinds of feelings for the other. It can look conflicting with what I wrote earlier about Justin, but actually it is not, and I hope some of you will understand my feeling.
February 28, 201114 yr Aliceinfashionland:Yes, it was inappropriate for the event she take your child, when she is dressed well. Separations are also guilty of the two.Is also true that Justin was supportive to Natalia for a long time, but it was a support company.It is not just to support to Natalia by feel sympathy for her.I do not agree to his comments that Natalia could be a bad mother, just to be working, is quite the opposite is very good mother. Yes, natalia travels all the time, and that may occasions that are not with their children all the time, but is working. Someone has to work in the family Portman - Vodianova.Natalia had not the luck of Justin, of born into a rich family, where you just have to make a call to mom and brother and will give all the money you need ...Natalia a lot of money, but not enough to stay home all the time and live without working, she not only has to care their children, but by his sisters, grandparents and possibly your mother. Natalia's children will not need to work as his father, maybe Natalia wants to give the example: If you want something in life, you have to go to work to fight for it.Natalia can be away from home for work, but Justin is away from home just for fun .... which is worse? natalia's coming to work or leaving Justin to have fun.Natalia can tell their kids, I'm going for a while because I have to work, but Justin?, and will tell their kids, I'm going for a long time because I want to have fun ajajajaajaRemember that separation is two, because the children are also of the two: mom and dad. And both have the same obligations and responsibilities to children, not just the mother.If Natalia is ambitious and wants to be known, popular and be powerful. But not just for her benefit, but to benefit mainly to its foundation. The more famous and popular is, can raise more money for his foundation and if she is thinking all the time on that, how to get more money for his foundation.So she the more popular and well known is, the more "ambitious", as more playgrounds for children will be in Russia and the new project of his foundation, disabled children have a decent life.Imagine Natalia says she feels lonely and she's married! hahahaha But sometimes not to feel you just, have to take the time on other things: work.Yes TheDarkNV, there's certainly not ONE reason to their separation, but a lot of intermingled ones, with responsabilities on both sides. As in most separations. And I guess their problems had started to appear several years ago. Even before Neva's birth, Natalia was complaining (half-joking) in an interview saying she didn't know where Justin was "certainly playing chess on his computer, I think I'm gonna ask for divorce". This is just an example but if you re-read old interviews, you'll find little "sweet and funny" hints which were maybe not so light as it seemed. And also of Justin complaining about Natalia (of course much less as he was never really interviewed, but I found one or two).I think Natalia works as much as she does because she has been knowing poverty and is SCARED by it, for her, for her whole family, as TheDarkNV puts it. And yes she is terribly ambitious (a bit too much ? I don't know) but I guess she realizes life is short, and that she has to get the best of it, and that what she achieved already is not enough yet, that she is almost 30, that life can bring the best as the worse, and that she has a revenge to take on it. Anyway, I must correct what I wrote some days ago (I did) and add that whatever the distance can be between Justin and the kids, I imagine he did the necessary for Natalia to get all the money she wants for their comfort and education, and certainly also for hers. But I guess Natalia has pride and honor enough not to rely on a man's money, even if he's her husband. Oh and I want to add : how much drown their marriage can be, I don't know why, but I get the feeling both Natalia and Justin still keep some kinds of feelings for the other. It can look conflicting with what I wrote earlier about Justin, but actually it is not, and I hope some of you will understand my feeling.Dear, you know what I think, on this issue.And sometimes it not is good express these comments in the forum ..
February 28, 201114 yr facebook status 29 years of incredible changes in my professional and personal life, 29 years of experiences that learned me that you can't control everything in your life. Nothing endures but change, even love. Thank you everyone for the lovely birthday wishes
March 1, 201114 yr facebook status 29 years of incredible changes in my professional and personal life, 29 years of experiences that learned me that you can't control everything in your life. Nothing endures but change, even love. Thank you everyone for the lovely birthday wishes To me, she's basically saying that her marriage is pretty much over, or perhaps very much on the rocks. However, if this is not what she means, I think Natalia shouldn't keep dropping these hints every now and then, because of the whole is-it-on-is-it-off context. After all these rumors, she must be aware of what people will read in between the lines, even mistakingly. But, at any rate, she is right: you can't control everything. Change is what life is about. You change everyday, from the day you were born till the day you die. When you finally get that, you grow up. Beautiful words. I wish Natalia all the best, now and always! [Thanks for sharing this with us, fashionmistake!]
March 1, 201114 yr facebook status 29 years of incredible changes in my professional and personal life, 29 years of experiences that learned me that you can't control everything in your life. Nothing endures but change, even love. Thank you everyone for the lovely birthday wishes Am I wrong or did Natalia a light english "mistake" here, mixing up "to learn" and "to teach" ? I think that "29 years of experiences that taught me (...)" or "29 years of experiences that learned to me (...)" would have been better, but I may be wrong, being not fluent with english myself at all. Of course such a "mistake", if I'm not wrong and if there is a mistake, would be very understandable from Natalia, as she is russian, so that's not my point. Of course, she could also simply have missed the small to. My point is that maybe Natalia is not behind this FB page, but maybe, who knows, a french girl ? In french the two verbs make only one, so that's a very common english mistake by french people I thought that maybe someone english speaking could tell us if there is a small english error in what Natalia said. I thought that maybe someone russian speaking could tell us if "to learn" and "to teach" are translated by only one verb in russian ?
March 1, 201114 yr facebook status 29 years of incredible changes in my professional and personal life, 29 years of experiences that learned me that you can't control everything in your life. Nothing endures but change, even love. Thank you everyone for the lovely birthday wishes Am I wrong or did Natalia a light english "mistake" here, mixing up "to learn" and "to teach" ? I think that "29 years of experiences that taught me (...)" or "29 years of experiences that learned to me (...)" would have been better, but I may be wrong, being not fluent with english myself at all. Of course such a "mistake", if I'm not wrong and if there is a mistake, would be very understandable from Natalia, as she is russian, so that's not my point. Of course, she could also simply have missed the small to. My point is that maybe Natalia is not behind this FB page, but maybe, who knows, a french girl ? In french the two verbs make only one, so that's a very common english mistake by french people I thought that maybe someone english speaking could tell us if there is a small english error in what Natalia said. I thought that maybe someone russian speaking could tell us if "to learn" and "to teach" are translated by only one verb in russian ? It's an awkward way to phrase it, certainly, but I've actually seen and heard English speaking people say it and write it. It's an archaic way of saying " taught me", I believe, because I've come across it in older literature. Some people do say it today.
March 1, 201114 yr facebook status 29 years of incredible changes in my professional and personal life, 29 years of experiences that learned me that you can't control everything in your life. Nothing endures but change, even love. Thank you everyone for the lovely birthday wishes Am I wrong or did Natalia a light english "mistake" here, mixing up "to learn" and "to teach" ? I think that "29 years of experiences that taught me (...)" or "29 years of experiences that learned to me (...)" would have been better, but I may be wrong, being not fluent with english myself at all. Of course such a "mistake", if I'm not wrong and if there is a mistake, would be very understandable from Natalia, as she is russian, so that's not my point. Of course, she could also simply have missed the small to. My point is that maybe Natalia is not behind this FB page, but maybe, who knows, a french girl ? In french the two verbs make only one, so that's a very common english mistake by french people I thought that maybe someone english speaking could tell us if there is a small english error in what Natalia said. I thought that maybe someone russian speaking could tell us if "to learn" and "to teach" are translated by only one verb in russian ? It's an awkward way to phrase it, certainly, but I've actually seen and heard English speaking people say it and write it. It's an archaic way of saying " taught me", I believe, because I've come across it in older literature. Some people do say it today. Ah ok, very interesting Despoine. So it would be an archaic english form, which to my eyes is the exact opposite of a mistake, so I have just learned something new thanks to you Despoine . As Natalia mainly learned english by Justin, and as Justin reportedly went to the best english schools, maybe that's an almost aristocratic way to express one's self Nevertheless I'm always very doubtfull about Natalia running this FB page. I think she has other fish to fry than doing this, and most of all it is always something any of us could have said if imagining we were in her shoes, I mean it's always exactly what we think she would feel, based on what we know from the medias... Once again just my humble opinion.
March 1, 201114 yr facebook status 29 years of incredible changes in my professional and personal life, 29 years of experiences that learned me that you can't control everything in your life. Nothing endures but change, even love. Thank you everyone for the lovely birthday wishes Am I wrong or did Natalia a light english "mistake" here, mixing up "to learn" and "to teach" ? I think that "29 years of experiences that taught me (...)" or "29 years of experiences that learned to me (...)" would have been better, but I may be wrong, being not fluent with english myself at all. Of course such a "mistake", if I'm not wrong and if there is a mistake, would be very understandable from Natalia, as she is russian, so that's not my point. Of course, she could also simply have missed the small to. My point is that maybe Natalia is not behind this FB page, but maybe, who knows, a french girl ? In french the two verbs make only one, so that's a very common english mistake by french people I thought that maybe someone english speaking could tell us if there is a small english error in what Natalia said. I thought that maybe someone russian speaking could tell us if "to learn" and "to teach" are translated by only one verb in russian ? It's an awkward way to phrase it, certainly, but I've actually seen and heard English speaking people say it and write it. It's an archaic way of saying " taught me", I believe, because I've come across it in older literature. Some people do say it today. I gave never come across anyone saying it, personally. I think it is a mistake, given that Natalia herself hardly speaks in archaic style, from what we have seen of her.
March 1, 201114 yr Nevertheless I'm always very doubtfull about Natalia running this FB page. I think she has other fish to fry than doing this, and most of all it is always something any of us could have said if imagining we were in her shoes, I mean it's always exactly what we think she would feel, based on what we know from the medias... Once again just my humble opinion. I tend to believe that it's her, but there's one nagging detail: the account format is all wrong. It should be a Facebook page, not a personal account that she made private. When you want to have fans to "like" you, you open a page. If you want to be in touch with your friends, you open an account and make it private. The private configuration protects both you and your exchanges with other people. Instead, she sort of did the middle thing, which is to have fans in a personal account made private. This format doesn't make any sense to me. The Facebook page is open, you like it and become a fan. Natalia would have the opportunity to expand her fan base, talk about her charity work and reach more people. Why did she make an account private if she's posting for perfect strangers in it? I don't get it. If that's Natalia, as I tend to think it is, she's not using her Facebook account in an efficient way. I would understand the private configuration if she were comunicating with her husband, her children, her family, her friends, her celebrity friends... it's not the case, is it? Perhaps she doesn't much know about Facebook and that's the way it is. She made a mistake at first and was never explained the difference. At any rate, Facebook could do what Twitter does - they verify the account and, when it's for real, there's a seal to guarantee that you're following the celebrity. [that's too my humble opinion... ] ETA: It's not standard English, but people sometimes do use 'learn' as 'teach'. You hear that, it's not unheard of, but not right (I don't believe a Language Arts teacher in school would let a student mistake learn for teach). A native speaker would normally say: "29 years of incredible changes in my professional and personal life, 29 years of experiences that taught me that you can't control everything in your life. Nothing endures, everything changes, even love. Thank you all for the lovely birthday wishes." If nothing endures, then everything changes - it doesn't make sense to use the same subject for both verbs the way she meant her message. I personally believe something can endure and change. Love, for instance. It's still love, but it changed - it's perfectly possible to say that. However, I think that what she really means is: nothing endures the way it once was. So, if this is the message, she must change the subject. Nothing endures, everything changes, even love.
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