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@*Luna* It's not about how many people like or dislike Candice. It's about if there is any basis for their dislike. If we are going the "putting words in people their mouth" route, the quoted phrases are all yours. Again don't try to flake and steer off topic by trying to make it personal. Once again I ask you: How do you know that Candice mocked Adriana? How do you know that Candice is bitchy? Since quite a few of you guys said those things about her you must all know something I don't. I don't have any insight on her other than her social media and work promos. I have not been aware of any hostility between Candice and other models. But you guys say there is. For 4 full pages. So please enlighten me.

@*Luna* It's there in plain English. Don't divert from the topic by making things personal or claiming I attacked you. Everyone can see our exchange. If you don't have any basis for dragging down a model bar your own beliefs, then that's not just "lost interest" as you call it. That's hate. Also, don't make a detour by asking me to show positive aspects of Candice. I have not insisted on any such thing. You have. I see through that too. If there is substance to your belief that Candice is fake and bitchy then I ask you to provide them. If you don't then just admit it that you hate Candice for reasons known only to you.

@*Luna* Stop playing the victim card. I can see right through your act. If anyone goes through our exchange, they can see who's doing the attacking and who's being aggressive. Everyone is entitled to their own views on model. This is not about that, as I'm sure you know. This is about casting a model in a bad light and not providing actual information when challenged. You have made six posts already and none of them include an item that backs your claim. Are you going to post them or not?

@*Luna* I'm not "butt hurt" or anything of the sort? I'll repeat for your benefit- Where is the proof that Candice mocked Adriana? Where is the proof that Candice is bitchy towards Elsa? Instead of making assumptions that I "seem to be absolutely sure that she is some otherworldly creature who is perfect and never does anything wrong or has never had a weird moment INFRONT of the public eye etc" give some kind of evidence that your assertions are valid. Please make a distinction between fact and opinion. Are the thing you said about Candice based on facts or based on opinions like the assumptions you just made about me? I'm not complaining about Candice, if anything people are talking about Candice so that's a good thing, I was making an observation. I'll keep it simple - Do you have any kind of demonstrable item to back your claims of Candice being fake or not? Do you or don't you?

@nuttyfeet Views differ, facts don't. I'm totally fine with your opinion, I just wanted proof to your claim that Candice is "bitchy". So, where's your evidence that Candice mocked Adriana? @*Luna* Like I said, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Show us the "lot of other suff". I just like Candice a lot and I haven't made the argument that "Candice actually is the sweet and amazing person she shows the world on the internet". Candice and Adriana are the two biggest stars VS has on their roster right now. What piqued my interest was you guys saying that Candice and Adriana have some sort of discord between. That's a bold claim. Now why would I have to show us something that proves Candice is actually so sweet and nice OUTSIDE of her work? I have never made that assertion. It's you guys who said that. As for attacking Souled-Out, I haven't said anything derogatory about her or attacked at all. In fact, she said that I was a liar. I only questioned her insistence asked her to back her view. So once again, is it just your opinion that Candice is all you guys said she is or a fact? If it's a fact then post some proof to your claim. That's all I ask.

@Souled-Out So I understand that it's just your opinion then and not actual fact?

It doesn't have to devolve into ad-hominems. Please prove that Candice has a problem with other models that goes beyond your opinion and we're through with this discussion. Can you see where I'm coming from? You guys said that Candice was superficial and catty based on 2 VS promotional videos. It doesn't look that way. If you guys can show that there was a real dislike between her and Adriana or her and Elsa, I'll accept that.

@Souled-Out Yes, yes. The wisest , most insightful and most astute analysis of YouTube commentators. You've implied they had a deep dislike so prove it beyond "comments" and show Candice and Adriana actually disliking each other instead of your own opinion gathered from 5 seconds of an edited video. If you can show that their hate for each other was real and not just an opinion, I'll move on.

You're expressing your views and I'm challenging them. That's about it. You guys made a claim and I questioned it. Prove it's veracity and we'll move on. Simple

I like Candice. You and all the others said that Candice was catty and disliked Adriana. You guys brought it up. The burden of proof is on the accuser. So where's the evidence that backs your claim? @Souled-Out And those videos show exactly what? That you're obsessed with her? Just post the videos showing Candice hating Adriana and I'll agree with you. Don't sidetrack from your own argument.

One at a time @*Luna*. You come into her thread and say something negative about her then pull out the "I like her, doesn't mean I worship her" trope. It's getting old. Who needs haters when there are "fans" like you.

@Souled-Out You have Adriana in your profile. You've been ranting on Candice and now you want to change the subject when someone calls out your bullshit. And you called me a liar. You're funny you know that. When she corrected Elsa, she became a bitch? Are you for real? To know what a person is like you need to spend a significant amount of time with them. People don't even know their own friends and family that well until something comes up that changes their view. You guys talk about Candice's inner personality with a certainty that even therapists don't boast about. Videos get edited, especially VS get heavily edited. You say it's bitchiness leaking. You got all that from a 10 second clip? As for models being real, VS sells a fantasy. You understand that right?

@toodarnhot White Knight eh? So where's the video of her mocking Adri's accent? @Souled-Out For someone who doesn't care, you do seem to obsess about her a lot . And now you've gone to other bullshit about Ale again without a shred of evidence.

@Souled-Out Well you stuck out because like I said you're the only one who's talked about her non-stop since page 1824. I'm a huge fan of Candice and I don't dislike Adriana. I've never met Candice but for those who dislike her this is probably what she might have to say

So where's the video? That's a pretty big accusation since that's what you've based your hate on. Is it something that can pass for proof or just hearsay?

@Souled-Out What lies? You have posts on this continuing from page 1824. We all know you don't like and I don't hold that against you but damn calling me a liar straight up, that's fucked up.

@toodarnhot How would you know that? Have you met her in person? Is there really a video of her mocking Adri's accent or is it just some made up bullshit from IG accounts. You guys talk about her like you hang out with her on the regular.

@Souled-Out I get that you are not a fan but you've been the only one talking about your dislike for her since yesterday

So to summarize the last 4 pages Candice: I take on a different persona when I'm in front of the camera @Souled-Out: She's fake

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