Kevork89

You're kind of contradicting yourself. You're making out that Miranda calling paps is a bad thing but if Ale, Erin or any other celeb did it, it's ok. Miranda wants attention yeh sure. But the same could be said about everyone else you listed. Because calling the paps is a general thing to do. Like you said. So everyone else does it but Miranda gets attacked for doing what everyone else does. That's my only problem with with everything that's getting said.

I think Erin has an overall better package in comparison to Candice. Candice is more versatile but I find Erin more relatable and endearing.

Is it me or or does Erin look like a clone of Candice in some theses pictures especially with those back arching poses. I don't see no resemblance to Candice at all. To me she is so much prettier than Candice. She reminds me more of Charlize Theron is some of the pictures, I think they could pass as sister. Erin looks nothing like Charlize to me but thats just my opinion and if some think people are to mean/hateful on BZ toward Miranda then they should really visit Just Jared and go on any Miranda post and look at the comments. I was just reading some of the comments towards her on Just Jared. So bad. People are like you've never worn Mango. Who cares. She's a model it's her job to pose for brands and sell. Coming from a Miranda fan, I think people are entitled to their opinions. But sometimes I find the hate for Miranda a bit too much. So what she calls the paps, poses, wants attention etc. when it's a celeb no one cares. They all bloody call the paps. It's the way of the game. Like I said if it gives a model more attention good for her. I'm happy to see more of her.

It's fair to say that the main angels. Adriana, Alessandra, Miranda, Doutzen and Candice all work great amounts. But the last four all work far more then Adriana does. But that's perfectly fine. Adriana's at a point in her career where she doesn't need to do heaps of work outside VS. Truthfully once she's done with VS I think Adriana will relax and not do work much. Miranda does work more then Adriana its not meant as an insult to Adriana it's just the truth.

Discussions are fine like you said but I think using words like fame whore is bashing the model and her methods to achieve success. Miranda and Alessandra are the girls we see papped the most. I personally don't care if they call them. If there are models out there actually getting attention I am happy. It's rare that anyone cares about models because of all the attention on celebrities.

I think Candice is stunning and perfect for VS. But she isn't top spot material. I don't get why VS are trying. They have two amazing girls who still have some good years on them in Doutzen and Miranda. They're both already established within the industry and people generally love them. They can easily take over the top angels. I don't think Adriana is going anywhere yet. Candice just hasn't got that personality to carry being their #1. Heidi, Tyra, Adriana & Gisele all had that perfect mix of everything and that's why they worked at the top. I think the only one who really has that is Doutzen. VS are so stupid sometimes.

I thought last year felt like a great balance. The perfomers didn't overtake the models. But this year it was just completely about the performers. It was too much. I hope they realise and go back to having maybe 2 segments with performers. People watch it for the models. I've always said this also. I never understand why they try and make it something it's not. I don't care if the outfits are more couture, i'm happy as long as we get to see the models walking the show. This year felt like I barely saw anyone cause the editing was just so quick.

Small teaser. I'm so excited

I'm in the minority who love the voice overs. They add something to the show. And without hearing the girls names it felt so flat without it. They only really did the voice over for the Angel line up, and a few other random bits like the Erin thing.

Yeah Alessandra has walked the show every year since 00. She never missed a hear. Adriana walked every year since 99 but missed 09. They're equal. VS seem to forget facts sometimes. Even Adriana said last year she started in Cannes. But that's not true.

So the ratings are in. And it took a big dip from last year. The 2011 VSFS had 11.5 million viewers. The 2012 VSFS had 9.3 million viewers. That's a 24% drop. Tsk tsk tsk VS. Did you learn your lesson. Little Beiber did nothing for the show. Those numbers are still good. Most shows on TV barely get ratings like that. It also had a 3.5 in the 18-49 demo. Which is really good. But in general it is still a massive drop.

Lindsay isn't really featured in the Christmas commercials much. If that's the main Christmas commercial then i'm not impressed. It was dull and lacked the usual oomph the commercial has. There was no energy and it was all in the same place. They shot heaps more stuff.

After watching it the first time I wasn't impressed. But upon watching it again I eased up a little and realised all in all the show wasn't that bad. As always we wanna compare to 05 but it's never gonna happen. While the worst show for me will always be 09, this show is definitely not the best but not the worst either. I felt last years show was better in terms of the fluidity of the editing. But the themes this year and model choices (not all Pink girls) were great. To me as always the standouts of the Angels were Miranda and Doutzen. They are just so great on the runway. This is Doutzen's best year in a long time. And Miranda had more spark to her then she did last year. Lindsay also was a very pleasant suprise. I've never been a huge fan of hers but her body is more curvier and she is very simple but wonderful. As for non Angels I thought Frida, Barbara F and Magdalena were amazing. I loved Circus, Calendar Girls and Silver Screen Angels. Usually I hate slow music on a runway but the outfits and lighting just worked so well with the song. My fav segment from the show. Worst would be Pink. It was just a complete mess. Justin Beiber should have never been at the show. His performance was terrible and he was a really bad choice. Overall I thought it was ok. Like all shows it has rewatch value. My fav outfits Bad outfits

Did anyone laugh when Barbara F basically got ganged up on by Bruno and his crew lol? Poor girl hahaha. It's gif worthy.

http://vsallaccess.victoriassecret.com/2012/12/04/victorias-secret-presents-the-sexiest-gifts-on-earth-extended-cut/ They have the Sexiest Gifts on the Earth commercial up. Barbara is the star.

Ale was in the behind the scenes videos for the shoot. So cutting her seems a bit strange. And she also shot the Fabulous commercial with Lais at the same time. And they used Ale in that commercial a few months back.

I don't think she deserved a segment on her own. Ale, Adriana, Miranda or Doutzen deserved it more.

Well say what you want to say but she is amazing. Do I think she deserves all the attention, no. But let's see how it plays out lol. The show overall wasn't terrible. But they could have scrapped some of the behind the scenes stuff and gave more of the girls walking. It was mainly them posing.

So Ale was cut from the commercials?

Ohai Deanna Miller!