Kevork89

Maria is ok. She's good on runway but her body and face don't compare to Oluchi.

I think each person John, Sophia, Monica and Ed get to pick a couple of girls they like and then they all would have to decide together. I guess John's is Grace. Cause I would never cast her in a million years.

We've seen girls come in quick. So Stella isn't surprising. Happened with Lily and Miranda they walked their first shows and then bam their Angels. So it could happen with Stella. I think she should work another year. VS are testing the waters now more than ever. Because they've had girls come in who everyone hates. Doutzen will be hard to fill if she is indeed gone. Time will tell.

It'll be some sale or something lame lol.

^ yeah they really need to. The creating a name just doesn't work anymore. They did it very well with Candice. Rosie was also close but because she left early it ruined that and then they've also done it with Behati. Before that they had Miranda, Adriana and Alessandra. It's not that it doesn't happen, it's just becoming a lot harder for these girls to make it big during their VS run. I think they should really spend their money on getting themselves a major fashion girl. They did it with Chanel and it failed. Karlie I love but people sadly don't seem to care for her. But I feel like VS always make the wrong choices. They have girls like Toni, Joan or Jourdan to pick from and they make the wrong choices.

I think Joan is amazing. She had the best two walks in the show. Finally they gave her a really good look with Angel Ball. Her looks since she made her debut haven't been amazing. But this one was her best look and walk. And I love that her walk was focused on in AB and it was strong. Reminded me of the good old days. If I was VS she would be who I invest my time in for Angel instead of Lais or Jasmine. But like I've said before VS only want one or two established girls. They prefer to create their girls but the last few just haven't been working. Just go and hire girls who are already top models VS. Even though I'm sure that will cost them more.

Maybe they're doing a new ad and Russel is directing. Meh who knows with VS.

I get that. If anything VS were very lenient with Doutzen. They let her do L'Oréal like you said and negotiate her contract a year or two ago so she could do H&M. Most people would say go away but they let her do that. So they definitely did not hate her.

Lol I understand you guys are upset. I'm a huge Doutzen fan too but I don't see how VS treated her badly. Sure she wasn't a girl who opened the show, or she didn't get the fb. But she's had a really good VS career. She always had great screen time in the ads, she was amazing in catalogue. She got a Christmas cover. She's always had 3 of the best looks each show, has opened segments, closed segments, closed the show. She never was shafted like girls in the past. VS never treated her badly. Sure she didn't get the top Angel spot but she had a very good steady career with VS. And like you mentioned she has so many other contracts. She doesn't need VS anymore. Candice was much like Adriana and Alessandra. VS is what their sole focus was on. Gisele, Miranda, Doutzen had VS but had so many other things that they don't need VS for their careers.

Miranda only wore it once. And officially she was an angel before Doutzen so her getting the bra isn't an issue.

So whoever was watching that Dutch show did she say they have decided not to renew or they're still negotiating? This is gonna get confusing. I guess now we wait and see for the aftermath.

I feel for ya dude. Two of your favs gone in one year. Sucks. But stick around for the laughs haha. I don't see Jasmine, Lais, Martha being Angels. Just girls who work all year. Stella is the wild card at the moment.

That would be pretty shitty of her to talk about if her contract didn't expire for another year or two. But I think it's something that recently happened. Her contract based on when she signed should have been up end of last year during this year. Her pregnancy probably allowed her a bit of extra time with VS and then they decided to not work together anymore. They might have said walk the show as a last hoorah kind of thing.

No Doutzen won't walk VS again. Like Gisele and Miranda, Doutzen is known for being an Angel and then more. She isn't like Izabel, Selita, Lindsay, Erin who can walk the show and it's no fuss.

My assumption is her contract was up during this year. Maybe beginning or middle. And they won't say goodbye right in the middle of her pregnancy. So they let her stay out of her contract for the show and then they parted ways. That's what i'm thinking anyway.

Agreed. It's something they have done for ages now. Just trying to figure if maybe Elsa is considered Doutzen or Lindsay's replacement. If anything I would say Doutzen.

Original post edited with updated Angels. After the news that Doutzen is no longer staying with VS. I moved Doutzen and Lindsay out and put Elsa in. I also updated the possible contract girls to Jasmine, Lais, Martha and Stella after this years show.

Time to go and edit the official Angel list in the VS thread

Hahahaha it's ok

No, Doutzen replaced nobody. She was a new angel, like Adriana was. I think Elsa is more like a replacement for Doutzen. Lais a replacement for Adriana? Oh yes you're right. Nah Lais isn't replacing Adriana anytime soon. The moment VS were done with Chanel they brought in Lais to take that spot (sad but true).

So now with this news it makes sense. Lindsay and Doutzen are out and VS are focusing on bringing Elsa to mainline and testing the waters with Stella. They always have a back up when one of their girls leave/booted. Tyra > Selita Gisele > Miranda Selita > Chanel Marisa > Erin Rosie > Lindsay Chanel > Lais Miranda > Karlie Erin > Martha Doutzen > Elsa Lindsay > Stella (possibly)

LOL ^ yeah VS are dumbasses. They had Doutzen and never pushed her to top where she deserved to be. But she had a great run. VS are still hung up on Adriana and Alessandra. They will never have anyone be above them and until they leave no girl will be at their level. Even Candice. But I still love Adriana and Alessandra. Can't believe Doutzen has been there since 05. Maybe now they can tell Izabel to go away too lol.

How was she ignored this year or last year

Miranda wanted more money. That seems obvious. I think Doutzen really did want to finish up with VS. Or they were in negotiations and she decided to opt out. Nothing wrong with that. She still has some amazing work ahead. And her and VS were actually on very good terms. I don't think VS treated her badly like people are saying. She wasn't one of their top girls like Adriana, Ale, Candice, Heidi etc but she always had 3 amazing looks. She opened and closed segments and is very well known. She didn't get the fb yeah big deal. They aren't that great anymore. I think she's had a wonderful VS career and I don't think they hate her. If there was issues they would have treated her like they did KK, Chanel, Selita. But they didn't. She got 3 beautiful looks and a great amount of screen time. If this is her last show she is going out on a high.

Awwww that sucks. But it's nice to know that VS offered her another contract so they definitely still wanted to keep her around. I'm glad that the decision is hers and not because they decided to cut her out. She had a great run with VS and has been a wonderful Angel. I can see now why they are probably focusing on getting some new blood with Stella. Her contract should have been up somewhere during this year so they must have made the decision and then gave her a nice send off for the show. She didn't get too much but at least she had 3 beautiful looks. And they didn't treat her badly like they've done to girls in the past. *coughKKcough*