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She has very unique eyes. That is the thing I liked about Vanessa Williams.

Turner is one of my favorite pencilers.

Regardless, the point still stands. There are not any factual definitions for manners anywhere. Only cultural based. And that is subjective. I never said you couldn't break a subjective definition, which what manners are. And if you believe what I said to the other poster is rude, then fine. That is your angle. But it's purely your opinion and I really don't care about it. It doesn't matter what any finishing school or polishing school says. If anything it's only going to amplify what I already said: manners are subjective to cultural upbringings. And that is a fact. Cultures around the world send their children to those finishing schools, and while some things are subjective to the culture such as spitting into the hand before shaking being considered polite in one society, calling someone dumb or stupid is not appropriate in any culture that I know of.. Perhaps you can disclose which society or culture you're from and that might clarify why you wouldn't consider it rude. However you're profile says you're from California and I wasn't aware that their manners had declined to such an extent. Well I didn't call anyone dumb so I don't know why you're asking me that question. I may have said a certain statement that I encountered may have not seemed wise or smart to me and I may have said it came off as "dumb" to me, but it doesn't mean that the person I'm quoting has low intelligence. And people sending their children to schools to blend in a certain way within society still doesn't mean that there is a defined "rule" of acting a certain way. It's like aesthetics are towards the art world. There is no defined rule for what is acceptable, but there is a consensus of what is preferred in certain mediums.

Regardless, the point still stands. There are not any factual definitions for manners anywhere. Only cultural based. And that is subjective. I never said you couldn't break a subjective definition, which what manners are. And if you believe what I said to the other poster is rude, then fine. That is your angle. But it's purely your opinion and I really don't care about it. It doesn't matter what any finishing school or polishing school says. If anything it's only going to amplify what I already said: manners are subjective to cultural upbringings. And that is a fact.

True, but manners aren't any set of defined laws, they are completely subjective. I can't be responsible for everything I say that might hurt one person's feelings. I'm sorry if she feels bad, but oh well. She'll get over it if she's truly devastated. No manners are not subjective, and they are rather defined world wide. And yes you are responsible for everything you say, and perhaps you should stop and consider what you're saying and how people might read it before you open your mouth and respond. Seriously you need to realize that one of the rules on this forum is that personal attacks are not allowed, and that actual bashing is not either. Hahahahaha! Manners are defined? Are you kidding me? In sociology, manners are the unenforced standards of conduct which show the actor to be cultured, polite, and refined. They are like laws in that they codify or set a standard for human behavior, but they are unlike laws in that there is no formal system for punishing transgressions, other than social disapproval. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manners Cultures define manners in different ways. Seriously what are you talking about? Show me one genuine example of where manners are book defined as a law worldwide. Really what would you like me to say to make you feel better? I mean what do you want to hear from me right now? I said I was sorry. I said I would keep what I say in mind more often during the future because people may be more sensitive here. Seriously what do you want?

This is your basic point? Okay then what do you define as "natural beauty"? I mean all the women in this forum showcased, or at least around 90% of them, have a decent amount of wealth and or are showcased wearing makeup, expensive hairstyles, pricey clothes, and valuable accessories. And that isn't "natural" in the slightest. And it's also bought with a lot of money. So if that is your reasoning for not approving of Megan, then you might as well not approve of everyone else.

Because people are running out of ammo in their illogical arsenal.

Who said websites like those make it okay? Seriously the media is about genuine as press-on nails. Don't believe everything you hear.

True, but manners aren't any set of defined laws, they are completely subjective. I can't be responsible for everything I say that might hurt one person's feelings. I'm sorry if she feels bad, but oh well. She'll get over it if she's truly devastated.

No you didn't. Where did you say you think she may improve in that area in your last post? Where did you say that? HOWEVER... now I hear her beauty is not real, but surgical. Sorry, she's absolutely lovely looking, but I find it hard to admire someones beauty or think of them as a beauty icon when I could easily look as good if I had her money\surgeon. I mean, I'm a good-looking girl so with Megan's surgery I could probably be just as stunning... so it's hard for me to admire her for her attrativeness because of that. Really that sounds like Megan has something that you want. Plain and simple. It's not like she's a porn star and completely looks like another person. And newsflash, fake beauty makes money no matter what it is. That doesn't just go for plastic surgery. It goes for makeup, clothes, accessories, etc. That is the way the world works. Really I just thought the reasons you found Megan Fox uninteresting were dumb to me. I mean why were you a Megan Fox fan in the first place if little stuff like what you listed made you loss interest in her? And my criticism of people complaining about little stupid things regarding Megan Fox isn't just limited to her. It branches out a lot farther to any celebrity or famous person that receives undeserved criticism. It happens here on this forum in abundance all the time especially around the time the Victoria's Secret Fashion show rolls around. All the models get bashed for no reason at all. It's ridiculous. Seriously you need to back the hell off, I've been making comments about Megan here, and how your responses humor me, but now you just jumping down Stam's throat for no reason. She stated an opinion and you're getting exceptionally defensive and snarky, which is not appropriate or needed. We were having a debate blue.. a lively debate but a debate non-the-less. There is no need to say that someone's opnion is dumb, or that people are stating things that are stupid... Simply say I disagree, why you disagree and move along. Wow you're almost reminding me of the old Adriana fans.. and the current Laetitia fans, which btw is not a flattering comparision. If this bothers you, leave the thread. I'm sorry if I hurt the person's feelings. I may do you really want me to mince words in the last post? Replacing "I don't think your opinion is a very smart one" with "I disagree"? I'll keep that in mind if most people are really that sensitive.

So you just proved me right by implying that you really are that bored with your life that you continue to post in a thread about a subject that bothers you. That is so logical. In terms of being amused, I must admit the feeling is definitely mutual. Personal attack? Hmmm? Only if she takes it that way. I didn't call her any names nor was I bullying her for my own amusement. Just disagreeing with her opinion and debating about a subject on a message board. You know, using this website like it's supposed to be used. Your definition of personally attacking someone is quite sparse and inaccurate. But of course this isn't surprising.

No you didn't. Where did you say you think she may improve in that area in your last post? Where did you say that? Well with the way you worded your post it sounds like you didn't admire Megan because she had some work done and she didn't have that great of acting skills. Really though, is that something to seriously complain about? That is why I took it as jealousy. Look at what you said here:HOWEVER... now I hear her beauty is not real, but surgical. Sorry, she's absolutely lovely looking, but I find it hard to admire someones beauty or think of them as a beauty icon when I could easily look as good if I had her money\surgeon. I mean, I'm a good-looking girl so with Megan's surgery I could probably be just as stunning... so it's hard for me to admire her for her attrativeness because of that. Really that sounds like Megan has something that you want. Plain and simple. It's not like she's a porn star and completely looks like another person. And newsflash, fake beauty makes money no matter what it is. That doesn't just go for plastic surgery. It goes for makeup, clothes, accessories, etc. That is the way the world works. You might as well be disinterested in 99% of the women showcased in this forum. Since they used money to amplify their beauty. Really I just thought the reasons you found Megan Fox uninteresting were dumb to me. I mean why were you a Megan Fox fan in the first place if little stuff like what you listed made you loss interest in her? And my criticism of people complaining about little stupid things regarding Megan Fox isn't just limited to her. It branches out a lot farther to any celebrity or famous person that receives undeserved criticism. It happens here on this forum in abundance all the time especially around the time the Victoria's Secret Fashion show rolls around. All the models get bashed for no reason at all. It's ridiculous.

Any making illogical statements like you just did with no evidence to arrive to a certain conclusion like that is definitely not going to make you a smarter person. Seriously, do you even know what's going on? This doesn't have to do with just Megan Fox like you're ridiculously implying. I already stated this in this very thread.

I respect your opinion on that matter, but I just don't find it a very smart one. I mean you don't like her acting abilities which is fine, but who is to say she isn't working hard to improve her acting skills? I mean is that really a reason to hate a person? Because they are famous, but their acting isn't so great? Sounds more like jealousy to me. And she's a pretty girl and she may have had some work done but honestly who cares? Does that really bother you? That Megan is famous because she is pretty and you aren't? Or that her interviews she gives aren't that interesting to yourself? Really...that sounds like clear-as-day jealousy.

You all seem to enjoy picking it apart, so yes I've chosen to share my rebutal with you. Feel free to stop responding anytime and my replies will doubtless end too.. pity you all seem to be hyper-sensitive when it comes to the slightest negative point. So basically you want to have the last word in a forum conversation. Will that make you feel better about your opinion on Megan or something? Will it make you feel correct? LOL. I"ll ask you again. If Megan's persona bothers you, why do you keep posting in her thread? Logically that would annoy you more. Unless of course, you really are that bored with your life.

Megan's persona bothers you, yet you still like to discuss the issue. Brilliant. Didn't you say you were done talking a page ago or something?

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Thanks. I thought I should only return the favor. The last several posts of yours have been entertaining as well. Megan's interview came across as very "fake"? So now we're diving into personal opinion's on someone's persona based on a 1 minute interview via the web. Guess you really know Megan now. Let me ask you this. What in your mind is going to erase the negative image you believe Megan Fox puts forth? Saying all the things in interviews that you want to hear? Please I'm interested in your response. Enlighten me.

Way to twist what she actually said and make her seem like the bad guy. She just mentioned what another poster said in this very thread. There were tons of flashing cameras, and tons of people shouting. She didn't even notice the guy, nor did she ignore him intentionally. You really need to stop drowning yourself with the haterade. Megan Fox isn't a bitch like you want her to be. Accept it.

Showing off the nice stomach here.

It's funny how everyone is basically calling her a bitch based on 2 pictures from a random idiot called Perez Hilton. If you guys would do a little more research and say, watch some vids from that day, you would probably understand the whole situation. The only thing you guys see is a boy with a rose. What you guys don't see(or don't want to see) are the hundreds of paparazzi, what you guys also don't see are the hundreds of flashes per second from their camera's, and what you guys aren't hearing is the constant yelling of hundreds of different people. She was also in a hurry and the security hold her to took her to the car asap. Think outside the box. Doesn't matter. Those two pictures alone make Megan Fox a bitch.

So you're saying that not being as gullible as everyone else is due to what the tabloids and media outlet feeds it's consumers (which we all know is always 100% true ) makes me rude and ignorant? LOL. Yeah that is surely better than actually knowing someone with the cameras are not in their faces and not being politically correct about everything they say just so they can please everyone that wants her to be a little angel. Awww...so she didn't cater to your needs in terms of what you think a perfect person should be like. Whoops. If you don't like Megan Fox, why do you keep reading quotes and interviews about her? Makes no sense. It doesn't matter if he's done it 100 times or just once. That's just unusual. Like I said in a previous post it doesn't matter if it was done to Megan Fox or some girl working at Starbucks. Going up to someone you don't know and giving them a flower telling them they appreciate you for whatever reason is just strange. Romantic? Cute? Only in the movies. Not in reality. Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say "get the girl" I said "get her attention". There is a difference. Getting to know a "starlet" while she's walking on the walkway at a movie event is a TERRIBLE way to try and get someone's attention and speak to them. That would be like trying to throw a story pitch at a comic convention at an editor while they are obviously busy. It's just something you don't do because it's considered obnoxious. I mean what was his mission with the rose thing? Seriously? To show appreciate for Megan Fox? Can't he just say that verbally? So you've chosen to be gullible in regards to what the media tells you no matter if it's true or not. Brilliant. Rumors and more media authenticated stories. Gee I guess we all know the real Megan Fox now.

Except there is one glaring difference. I'm not assuming a certain person is a bitch just because of what I've read in the tabloids. I would assume any person I meet is a genuinely nice person unless a plethora of evidence is complied as to why not. Tabloids and media gossip really don't count. Especially when it's not very dense. I'm really just tired of people bitching and complaining and being ignorant. I feel it sometimes to necessary to educate people and not always make a judgment about someone based on one or two photos. Or several media related "interviews". Seriously, that's stupid. There is more to actually "knowing" a person and how they act when the cameras are turned off. I highly doubt an incident like this is going to have any effect on Megan Fox's career, negative or beneficial. If she was such a bitch would she have really lasted this long and gotten the opportunities she has? There haven't been any numerous amount of reports saying that she isn't good to work with, is mean, etc. And even if she was, what seems to matter right now to most people is her body instead of her persona. It's really not her fault that society has this "standard" that she has to live up to...just to entertain the public and their deluded expectations for someone to be a perfect angel 24/7. That's dumb. And that is stupid for reasons I already stated. What if Megan is really trying to focus on her acting skills? She's gorgeous sure, but what if she wasn't so pretty in the public's eye? Would everyone be bitching about how she ignored someone in that scenario? No they wouldn't. They wouldn't even care. But because she's so pretty we're going to put her on a pedestal and make her live up to some ridiculous standards that we set ourselves because we're so bored with our very own lives. And please don't give the guy a pass. He was old enough to know that if he wanted to impress a girl, then he would start by actually getting to know someone instead of acting on some ridiculous impulses attributed to infatuation. Really, this behavior rarely works in this case, just as it would rarely work in high school, and just as it would rarely work on the street. Affection isn't that black and white. Hey I'm just sharing my opinion as well. I'm not calling you any names or anything like that. I'm just taking issue with your comment, not you. Nothing but a simple friendly debate. If you don't like my tone, well...I'm sorry.

Probably not. I mean would you give a damn about ignorant people making ignorant statements about yourself? So wait, she's responsible for the emotional highs and lows that some deranged fan feels about her? If he grabbed her ass should we feel sympathy for him as well? Should we justify his behavior because he was a fan and just wanted to show his appreciation for her beautiful body? If it was a little kid giving the rose, sure. That is sweet. But really, the guy looks of age to know that isn't cute. Really doesn't even work in the real world if you're trying to get a girl's attention. Imagine that same guy giving a rose to some random attractive girl that worked at Starbucks. You think she wouldn't be a little freaked out? Hahahaha. Oh my goodness. Yes, because after reading and or seeing one little incident like this, you can make a justified opinion about someone you've never met and dish out accurate criticism. "She didn't respond to that guy's unusual antics so she must be a bitch". Please.