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[Jennka]

I'm sorry but imo no one deserves that much money for just modeling. That's stupid. I mean there are prettier girls than them with better bodies who need the money more. That's just ridiculous.

I´m sorry to say this, and I mean no offence, but...wake up. World is no more a place where it´s about what someone deserves. Hungry people deserves to eat, poor deserves to have money, think about that at your next visit in McDonalds before you put your hamburger into your mouth. It´s silly. Life´s what you make it. If THEY are the women that have that money,it´s not their fault that those "

prettier girls than them with better bodies who need the money more

" don´t have it, you know?

Hmm...and just when I thought people couldn't get anymore apathetic. Thanks for proving me wrong Jennka. God forbid someone should have an opinion around here.

ehm... I wasn´t talking serious...if you know something like "irony" let me know

What was ironic about what you said? If I misunderstood something, its only because your post didn't make much sense. Don't patronize me!

I don´t patronize anyone sorry if you feel like that... every word I wrote there was meant ironic. If you don´t understand, don´t comment.

[Number1]

I'm sorry to be the Economics nerd in a forum that really has nothing to do with it but sense you guys have brought it up... $15 million a year is COMPLETELY deserved. Victoria's Secret made $900 Million dollars a year last year in direct sales and $2.4 Billion in online and catalogue sales. It employs more then 3.800 clerks and probably about as many people when you factor in corporate office, shipping, warehouses, marketing etc, which is pretty nice for our whole economy. There are numerous competitors, (Trust me,) out there in the world that can and do provide comperable product for less money. Fredericks of Hollywood litterally makes less then 1/16 as much a year. What Victoria's Secret cashes in on is the mystique, the image, and the allure of the Victoria's Secret name. What other company can put on what is basically an hour long informicial on primetime network TV FOR FREE and get more then 2 million people in this country alone (Maybe as many as 4 million when you factor in Youtube, forums like this, overseas etc.)? Would anybody watch the fashion show without the models? Would people be as excited about the catalogues? Would people go on forums like this and look at there marketing in thier spare time? Probably not. By and by, as of 2006 (I don't know about lately,) products modelled by Alle sold more then those modelled by anyone else in the catalogue consistantly. So when you consider that thier most succesfull (In sales terms) model makes less then 0.04% of the profit who can argue with that? Its the way are system works, its capitalism. Should we change it? Maybe, I think maybe we should but that's how it is and models, actors and athletes shouldn't have to play by different rules then the CEOs who make Billions off of thier images. Anyway, that's my point. Sorry I went on for so long.

[sweet_n_sour]

THANKS ninanina19 :kiss: amazing pix Gisele is missing

Alessandra looks gorgeous.

Those silver minis are ugly, why do they match all the time?

They aren't twins - twins don't even match.

[Jennka]

I'm sorry to be the Economics nerd in a forum that really has nothing to do with it but sense you guys have brought it up... $15 million a year is COMPLETELY deserved. Victoria's Secret made $900 Million dollars a year last year in direct sales and $2.4 Billion in online and catalogue sales. It employs more then 3.800 clerks and probably about as many people when you factor in corporate office, shipping, warehouses, marketing etc, which is pretty nice for our whole economy. There are numerous competitors, (Trust me,) out there in the world that can and do provide comperable product for less money. Fredericks of Hollywood litterally makes less then 1/16 as much a year. What Victoria's Secret cashes in on is the mystique, the image, and the allure of the Victoria's Secret name. What other company can put on what is basically an hour long informicial on primetime network TV FOR FREE and get more then 2 million people in this country alone (Maybe as many as 4 million when you factor in Youtube, forums like this, overseas etc.)? Would anybody watch the fashion show without the models? Would people be as excited about the catalogues? Would people go on forums like this and look at there marketing in thier spare time? Probably not. By and by, as of 2006 (I don't know about lately,) products modelled by Alle sold more then those modelled by anyone else in the catalogue consistantly. So when you consider that thier most succesfull (In sales terms) model makes less then 0.04% of the profit who can argue with that? Its the way are system works, its capitalism. Should we change it? Maybe, I think maybe we should but that's how it is and models, actors and athletes shouldn't have to play by different rules then the CEOs who make Billions off of thier images. Anyway, that's my point. Sorry I went on for so long.

Thanks for such an information, I haven´t known this at all...you´re beeing completely true that hey really do deserve the money

[Null]

I'm sorry to be the Economics nerd in a forum that really has nothing to do with it but sense you guys have brought it up... $15 million a year is COMPLETELY deserved. Victoria's Secret made $900 Million dollars a year last year in direct sales and $2.4 Billion in online and catalogue sales. It employs more then 3.800 clerks and probably about as many people when you factor in corporate office, shipping, warehouses, marketing etc, which is pretty nice for our whole economy. There are numerous competitors, (Trust me,) out there in the world that can and do provide comperable product for less money. Fredericks of Hollywood litterally makes less then 1/16 as much a year. What Victoria's Secret cashes in on is the mystique, the image, and the allure of the Victoria's Secret name. What other company can put on what is basically an hour long informicial on primetime network TV FOR FREE and get more then 2 million people in this country alone (Maybe as many as 4 million when you factor in Youtube, forums like this, overseas etc.)? Would anybody watch the fashion show without the models? Would people be as excited about the catalogues? Would people go on forums like this and look at there marketing in thier spare time? Probably not. By and by, as of 2006 (I don't know about lately,) products modelled by Alle sold more then those modelled by anyone else in the catalogue consistantly. So when you consider that thier most succesfull (In sales terms) model makes less then 0.04% of the profit who can argue with that? Its the way are system works, its capitalism. Should we change it? Maybe, I think maybe we should but that's how it is and models, actors and athletes shouldn't have to play by different rules then the CEOs who make Billions off of thier images. Anyway, that's my point. Sorry I went on for so long.

You make a valid point. However, with regards to actors and athletes, for the most part these people initially used their talent rather then their looks to make money. Do you honestly believe that Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant would be making as much money as they make in endorsements if they weren't averaging 30 pts a game season after season? If Lebron James wasn't a high school phenom, do you think he would have been offered a $50 million contract from Nike? Or what about Tiger Woods and Roger Federer? Do you think anyone would pay attention to their looks if they didn't have the careers that they have? Maria Sharapova? A beautiful woman, no doubt! But if she didn't have a game to back it up, nobody would pay her any mind. I know this because there are some gorgeous women on the WTA tour who don't make as much as Maria or get as much attention because they don't a game like Maria. Lets talk about some of the top actors in Hollywood. Denzel Washington, Nicole Kidman, George Clooney, Angelina Jolie just to name a few. If George Clooney was not a brillant actor, or was just a no name, he would not have been People Mag's (or whichever magazine it was) Sexiest Man Alive. So yes they derserve to demand $20 million a flick or whatever. In all these cases, these people used thier athletic/acting ability to get to where they are.

However, with models...you're right, the system is what it is. BUT...models are just pretty faces. Yes some of them may be intelligent, I mean 158 I.Q. intelligent. Some of them may have acting abilities. However, Gisele and Ale have capitalised off their faces. And I'll admit, it has to take an incredibly beautiful and sexy woman modeling nothing but bras and panties to make another woman buy...well, bras and panties. So I congratulate you Ale!! But does she deserve $15 million a year? She's done her job, so perhaps. I personally don't think so, but like you say, it is what it is.

Just my 2 cents! Actually thats more like $4 but whatever

[Null]

I just thought of another.

Jennifer Hudson. If the girl couldn't sing and act her ass off, she would not be on the cover of Vogue!

[Nemeside]

don't you think that this time they all don't look so great?

i know i'm taking a risk to be killed posting it but i really think so

[Jennka]

I'm sorry to be the Economics nerd in a forum that really has nothing to do with it but sense you guys have brought it up... $15 million a year is COMPLETELY deserved. Victoria's Secret made $900 Million dollars a year last year in direct sales and $2.4 Billion in online and catalogue sales. It employs more then 3.800 clerks and probably about as many people when you factor in corporate office, shipping, warehouses, marketing etc, which is pretty nice for our whole economy. There are numerous competitors, (Trust me,) out there in the world that can and do provide comperable product for less money. Fredericks of Hollywood litterally makes less then 1/16 as much a year. What Victoria's Secret cashes in on is the mystique, the image, and the allure of the Victoria's Secret name. What other company can put on what is basically an hour long informicial on primetime network TV FOR FREE and get more then 2 million people in this country alone (Maybe as many as 4 million when you factor in Youtube, forums like this, overseas etc.)? Would anybody watch the fashion show without the models? Would people be as excited about the catalogues? Would people go on forums like this and look at there marketing in thier spare time? Probably not. By and by, as of 2006 (I don't know about lately,) products modelled by Alle sold more then those modelled by anyone else in the catalogue consistantly. So when you consider that thier most succesfull (In sales terms) model makes less then 0.04% of the profit who can argue with that? Its the way are system works, its capitalism. Should we change it? Maybe, I think maybe we should but that's how it is and models, actors and athletes shouldn't have to play by different rules then the CEOs who make Billions off of thier images. Anyway, that's my point. Sorry I went on for so long.

You make a valid point. However, with regards to actors and athletes, for the most part these people initially used their talent rather then their looks to make money. Do you honestly believe that Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant would be making as much money as they make in endorsements if they weren't averaging 30 pts a game season after season? If Lebron James wasn't a high school phenom, do you think he would have been offered a $50 million contract from Nike? Or what about Tiger Woods and Roger Federer? Do you think anyone would pay attention to their looks if they didn't have the careers that they have? Maria Sharapova? A beautiful woman, no doubt! But if she didn't have a game to back it up, nobody would pay her any mind. I know this because there are some gorgeous women on the WTA tour who don't make as much as Maria or get as much attention because they don't a game like Maria. Lets talk about some of the top actors in Hollywood. Denzel Washington, Nicole Kidman, George Clooney, Angelina Jolie just to name a few. If George Clooney was not a brillant actor, or was just a no name, he would not have been People Mag's (or whichever magazine it was) Sexiest Man Alive. So yes they derserve to demand $20 million a flick or whatever. In all these cases, these people used thier athletic/acting ability to get to where they are.

However, with models...you're right, the system is what it is. BUT...models are just pretty faces. Yes some of them may be intelligent, I mean 158 I.Q. intelligent. Some of them may have acting abilities. However, Gisele and Ale have capitalised off their faces. And I'll admit, it has to take an incredibly beautiful and sexy woman modeling nothing but bras and panties to make another woman buy...well, bras and panties. So I congratulate you Ale!! But does she deserve $15 million a year? She's done her job, so perhaps. I personally don't think so, but like you say, it is what it is.

Just my 2 cents! Actually thats more like $4 but whatever

there used to be times when I thought exactly what you´ve just written. But I´ve changed my mind when I start to be interested in the fashion world. But I really do understand your opinion, eventhough I don´t much agree with it. You know, when speaking about talent and abilities, there are many people who aren´t talented, but still they´re too much famous - take Ana Kurnikovova, Paris Hilton, Nicole Ritchie, and frankly, half of the Hollywood can´t act at all, they´re just pretty faces and great bodies, nothing more. So here we have our little world obsessed with beauty. Models just fit in perfectly. Nowadays it´s all about beauty - otherwise, the model forum would not have so many pgw I´ve learned to take it just as it is, and enjoy it finally...but sometimes, it makes me fell sick when I think about it and realize "what the hell are they actually doing? Just posing and smiling..? That´s not fair!!" but then...modeling it´s not just smiling and posing. I adore models who´re trying to make something useful with their money, they´re using their beauty to do good things, to help someone. They can be idols to the young people, and yeah, sometimes it´s not the best kind of thing but sometimes...it is

And all the models aren´t just pretty faces, sometimes modeling opens the door for them that would never have been opened other way. I used to hate them, now I like them...I think that everyone just have to find his on place on the world, so if a girl finds herself in modeling, becomes famous and great..why not, you must admit it needs some kind of talent too (really not as much talent as for sports or other, but still there is some ) oh, and most of actresses used to be models too...

I don´t know..I´m still confused in this kind of thing because I perceive your comment clearly...and half-agree, half-not... It is as it is...so just grin and bear it I suppose...

[Jennka]

I just thought of another.

Jennifer Hudson. If the girl couldn't sing and act her ass off, she would not be on the cover of Vogue!

That´s why I adore her much but look at Jessica Simpson e.g., she can´t sing at all and is famous as hell. She pisses me off MORE than any of a model could be ever able to :D

[Null]

Some people just get lucky. And actually Jessica, back in the day when she first started, wasn't half bad. I actually have her first album, and it was pretty good (if you like that genre). And she wasn't half as annoying as she is now. But of course, she wasn't that famous. She got famous in part because of her marriage to Nick Lachey, and also in part because she's stupid as hell; i.e. the question heard 'round the world, "is tuna chicken or is it fish?"

[shan]

Who cares if you dont like Jessica's music, the girl can sing.

[ninanina19]

Some people just get lucky. And actually Jessica, back in the day when she first started, wasn't half bad. I actually have her first album, and it was pretty good (if you like that genre). And she wasn't half as annoying as she is now. But of course, she wasn't that famous. She got famous in part because of her marriage to Nick Lachey, and also in part because she's stupid as hell; i.e. the question heard 'round the world, "is tuna chicken or is it fish?"

I agree completely.

[Jennka]

Some people just get lucky. And actually Jessica, back in the day when she first started, wasn't half bad. I actually have her first album, and it was pretty good (if you like that genre). And she wasn't half as annoying as she is now. But of course, she wasn't that famous. She got famous in part because of her marriage to Nick Lachey, and also in part because she's stupid as hell; i.e. the question heard 'round the world, "is tuna chicken or is it fish?"

agree too...completely. I don´t like that genre much, but she used to be better, in the opposite to Britney Spears who actually began to be good this years, but now she´s ruined it all...I started to like her music - actually some of her songs- when all that happens...it´s a shame

[Vic]

TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[Nemeside]

I just thought of another.

Jennifer Hudson. If the girl couldn't sing and act her ass off, she would not be on the cover of Vogue!

That´s why I adore her much but look at Jessica Simpson e.g., she can´t sing at all and is famous as hell. She pisses me off MORE than any of a model could be ever able to :D

wel actually Jess simpson can sing (ashley can't sing) you should listen her when she was just about to begin her career, but her songs are just meh, i mean who could like 'public affair'? she is lost in music that's why her albums are so unpopular, she doesn't sell at all

she is a celeb because of reality show

[jewels007]

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[Jennka]

I just thought of another.

Jennifer Hudson. If the girl couldn't sing and act her ass off, she would not be on the cover of Vogue!

That´s why I adore her much but look at Jessica Simpson e.g., she can´t sing at all and is famous as hell. She pisses me off MORE than any of a model could be ever able to :D

wel actually Jess simpson can sing (ashley can't sing) you should listen her when she was just about to begin her career, but her songs are just meh, i mean who could like 'public affair'? she is lost in music that's why her albums are so unpopular, she doesn't sell at all

she is a celeb because of reality show

agree with ya..and I trust you with the singing, I haven´t heard her in her beginings, but still...her voice is like an annoying zip to me

[Aga]

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thanks.

[victoria's_secret]

Some people just get lucky. And actually Jessica, back in the day when she first started, wasn't half bad. I actually have her first album, and it was pretty good (if you like that genre). And she wasn't half as annoying as she is now. But of course, she wasn't that famous. She got famous in part because of her marriage to Nick Lachey, and also in part because she's stupid as hell; i.e. the question heard 'round the world, "is tuna chicken or is it fish?"

i agree. she was much better in the beginning of her career and even looked and sang better too. but as she did more and more albums her voice and image became suckier. and why is SHE on the cover of elle? can't stand her now. especially after wathcing the newlyweds i'm just like she showed everyone that she truly is a dumb blonde -__-

[victoria's_secret]

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oooh i lOVE them thansk!