heres my stance on the whole looks/personality thing...me and my girlfriend have discussed this crap all the time and she used to think i was shallow because of it but its not shallow at all...its just how things should be. alright...she would always say to me, "if you didnt think i was attractive but i had the same personality would you go out with me." and i would always reply, "No. you would be my friend." and she would call me shallow. heres my stance: someone you are attracted to and like their personality= someone to go out with. someone whose personality you like but you arent attracted to= friend. why would you go out with someone you arent attracted to? if im going out with someone that means we have very similar tastes in things and that i would definately be friends with them if they were the same gender as me (basically, if there was no physical attraction.) a potential friend is someone who has the same tastes and what not as me but im not attracted to them. whats the point in going out with someone if you arent attracted to them? you're just trying to turn a friendship into a relationship, and a relationship needs attraction to survive. if you go out with someone you're not attracted too then you're just bullshitting yourself into thinking you're not shallow and it wont work in the long run. that being said, attractiveness also has to be be a personal thing in my opinion. i find my girlfriend to be the most beautiful girl i've ever seen, and i bet most guys would say something like ooh god jessica alba is so hot though. my point being that if you find someone attractive but everyone else thinks that person looks like a horse and you dont go out with them, thats being shallow. after my girlfriend finally understood my point and agreed with me she asked me, "would you go out with me if you thought i was attractive and every other guy thought i was ugly?" and i replied "so if i thought you were attractive you're wondering if i would go out with you....yes i would go out with you. you know, there is always gonna be at least one jackass in the world who no matter what will be like OMFG YOUR GIRLFRIEND IS UGLIER THAN SHIT....theres no way id let something like that dictate my love life." or something like that /rant