Aranka

Hmmmmmmmm. True. That is like asking a child if they want candy. Lollll

Banned for making me think of a new ban for kiki.

Banned for comparing me to a child <_<

And being punished severely for banning me!! Get me my paddle

Banned for making a spanking suggestion towards the wrong person

I the Warpaint album.

Real prog or fake prog?

Bands must be told!

Out of interest Limer, what's the real stuff and what's the fake?

Real prog is (Peter Gabriel era) Genesis, Camel, Yes, Early Rush, King Crimson, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Spock's Beard. Those bands that embody prog.

Mahavishnu i think personally is more Jazz Fusion (But Jazz Fusion and prog is so close in some respects)

Fake prog is more or less something like Coheed And Cambria, who some people say is prog but i just don't see it.

I just wanted to see if she knew about Camel

Well debating on wheter Jazz Fusion could or could not be prog is generally a long discussion. On that line I would also be willing to suggest that Return to Forever is actually also Jazz Fusion.

Personally I'm not that into the specifics but I got a lot of my knowledge about prog bands from the website "progarchives.com" which has an extensive database on everything prog related. It also gives a definition of prog.

It goes like this:

Progressive rock (often shortened to prog or prog rock) is a form of rock music that evolved in the late 1960s and early 1970s as part of a "mostly British attempt to elevate rock music to new levels of artistic credibility." The term "art rock" is often used interchangeably with "progressive rock", but while there are crossovers between the two genres, they are not identical.

Progressive rock bands pushed "rock's technical and compositional boundaries" by going beyond the standard rock or popular verse-chorus-based song structures. Additionally, the arrangements often incorporated elements drawn from classical, jazz, and world music. Instrumentals were common, while songs with lyrics were sometimes conceptual, abstract, or based in fantasy. Progressive rock bands sometimes used "concept albums that made unified statements, usually telling an epic story or tackling a grand overarching theme."

Progressive rock developed from late 1960s psychedelic rock, as part of a wide-ranging tendency in rock music of this era to draw inspiration from ever more diverse influences. The term was applied to the music of bands such as King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Soft Machine and Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Progressive rock came into most widespread use around the mid-1970s. While progressive rock reached the peak of its popularity in the 1970s and early 1980s, neo-progressive bands have continued playing for faithful audiences in the subsequent decades.

Musical characteristics

Form: Progressive rock songs either avoid common popular music song structures of verse-chorus-bridge, or blur the formal distinctions by extending sections or inserting musical interludes, often with exaggerated dynamics to heighten contrast between sections. Classical forms are often inserted or substituted, sometimes yielding entire suites, building on the traditional medleys of earlier rock bands. Progressive rock songs also often have extended instrumental passages, marrying the classical solo tradition with the improvisational traditions of jazz and psychedelic rock. All of these tend to add length to progressive rock songs, which may last longer than twenty minutes.

Timbre (instrumentation and tone color): Early progressive rock groups expanded the timbral palette of the then-traditional rock instrumentation of guitar, organ, bass, and drums by adding instruments more typical of jazz or folk music, such as flute, saxophone and violin, and more often than not used electronic keyboards, synthesizers, and electronic effects. Some instruments – most notably the Moog synthesizer and the Mellotron – have become closely associated with the genre.

Rhythm: Drawing on their classical, jazz, folk and experimental influences, progressive rock artists are more likely to explore time signatures other than 4/4 and tempo changes. Progressive rock generally tends to be freer in its rhythmic approach than other forms of rock music. The approach taken varies, depending on the band, but may range from regular beats to irregular or complex Time Signatures.

Melody and Harmony: In prog rock, the blues inflections of mainstream rock are often supplanted by jazz and classical influences. Melodies are more likely to be modal than based on the pentatonic scale, and are more likely to comprise longer, developing passages than short, catchy ones. Chords and chord progressions may be augmented with 6ths, 7ths, 9ths, and compound intervals; and the I-IV-V progression is much less common. Allusions to, or even direct quotes from, well-known classical themes are common. Some bands have used atonal or dissonant harmonies, and a few have even worked with rudimentary serialism.

Texture and imagery: Ambient soundscapes and theatrical elements may be used to describe scenes, events or other aspects of the concept. For example, Leitmotif is used to represent the various characters in Genesis' "Harold the Barrel" and "Robbery, Assault and Battery." More literally, the sounds of clocks and cash registers are used to represent time and money in Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon.

Other characteristics

Technology: To aid timbral exploration, progressive rock bands were often early adopters of new electronic musical instruments and technologies. The mellotron, particularly, was a signature sound of early progressive bands. Pink Floyd utilized an EMS Synthi A synthesizer equipped with a sequencer on their track "On the Run" from their 1973 album Dark Side of the Moon. In the late 1970s, Robert Fripp, of King Crimson, and Brian Eno developed an analog tape loops effect (Frippertronics). In the 1980s, Frank Zappa used the Synclavier for composing and recording, and King Crimson utilized MIDI-enabled guitars, a Chapman Stick, and electronic percussion.

Concept albums: Collections of songs unified by an elaborate, overarching theme or story are common to progressive rock. As songs by progressive rock acts tend to be quite long, such collections have frequently exceeded the maximum length of recorded media, resulting in packages that require multiple vinyl discs, cassettes, or compact discs in order to present a single album. Concepts have included the historical, fantastical, and metaphysical, and even, in the case of Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick, poking fun at concept albums.

Lyrical themes: Progressive rock typically has lyrical ambition similar to its musical ambition, tending to avoid typical rock/pop subjects such as love, dancing, etc., rather inclining towards the kinds of themes found in classical literature, fantasy, folklore, social commentry or all of these. Peter Gabriel (Genesis) often wrote surreal stories to base his lyrics around, sometimes including theatrical elements with several characters, while Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) combined social criticism with personal struggles with greed, madness, and death.

Presentation: Album art and packaging is often an important part of the artistic concept. This trend can be seen to have begun with The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and played a major part in the marketing of progressive rock. Some bands became as well known for the art direction of their albums as for their sound, with the "look" integrated into the band's overall musical identity. This led to fame for particular artists and design studios, most notably Roger Dean for his work with Yes, and Hipgnosis for their work with Pink Floyd and several other progressive rock groups.

Stage theatrics: Beginning in the early 1970s, some progressive rock bands began incorporating elaborate and sometimes flamboyant stage theatrics into their concerts. Genesis lead singer Peter Gabriel wore many different colourful and exotic costumes in one show and frequently acted out the lyrical narrative of the songs, and the band used lasers and giant mirrors synchronized with the music. Yes incorporated futuristic stage sets designed by Roger Dean, including massive spaceship props and complex lighting. Yes also performed 'in-the-round', with the band on a round stage set up in the middle of the arena. Jethro Tull released rabbits on stage (see here). One of ELP's many stage antics include Emerson's "flying piano" at the California Jam concert, in which a Steinway grand piano would be spun from a hoist. Pink Floyd used many stage effects, including crashing aeroplanes, a giant floating pig, massive projection screens, and, in 1980, an enormous mock brick wall for The Wall performances. Rush incorporated lasers and film backdrops into their stage show. Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention used a giant giraffe prop and did improvisational comedy skits. Marillion's former lead singer Fish wore a jester costume inspired by the band's first album, Script for a Jester's Tear.

A long definition but then again...it is a hard genre to describe

It's just my first name...nothing special about it

Well this one is easy...banned for seducing children (it sounds wrong)

Banned for loving limerlight

Never had it for uhm.....one and a half year now since I've been having this IUD's

It is not really like someone who is 17 will actually get a lot taller or less curvier

To be more runway ready would in this case depend more on outward changes with regards to the policy then vanessa itself.

Though I personally think and presume it might look good on the runway I am not one who decides the standard.

Camel and Return to forever

When I was studying I used to listen to Camel's album Snowgoose a lot. It was nice music to listen to without really losing your focus. Don't know why but the song Rhayader always made me cry, liked it so much

And although I like the latin influences of Return to Forever I fear I'm a bit mainstream on it for preferring Romantic Warrior as their best album. It's a bit more symphonic orientated then their previous albums, but can appreciate the other ones too though not as much. My favourite song by them is Duel Of The Jester And The Tyrant, a 12 minute grand epos.

it's called standing by your friends. if you had any, you may know what that is like.

and when someone takes cheap and uncalled for shots at my friends, than yes, i answer back. again that is something i do for my friends.

but hey, maybe that is jsut the way i view friendship.

I personally presume the friend in question knows how to voice her own opinion and defend her own case but maybe that's just my own opinion of her.

Furthermore, I sincerly doubt friends of mine would really take offense to some text being sent back and forth, they're pretty confident enough of themselves not to let such trivial things bother them.

Oh and talking about cheap and uncalled for shots....making false assumptions of someones personal life would apply to that definition. On the other hand....the notion of a 34 year old guy I don't even know presuming I do not have any friends doesn't really bother me either

Ignorance may be bliss but it is not always excusable. For someone who is always talking about facts, you certainly jump to conclusions a lot.

Your first reply was uncalled for and totally catty. It doesn't matter the reason why she had implants done, there was no reason to say what you did.

Since being on here all you have shown is to be an ignorant stuck up bitch with little or no regard or consideration for anyone else. You show no interest in anyone elses opinion and when they differ from yours yiu are down right rude and condescending, yet you seem shocked when people respond with anger and hostility towartds you.

If you want to act like a complete bitch than you are going to get treated like one.

Cut it off already....I was apologizing towards COP11 and not to you.

I see that maybe...somewhere....I could have offended her with one or two statements, but never did I make any direct comments at you. Now I understand you want to be like her personal spokesman or something but really....that was not where I was talking to when making my apologies.

I'm not trying to explain myself to you, since there is nothing where I should get forgiveness from you for.

Your personal view on me I already understood so you don't need to rince and repeat it to me, that is unless you love typing the same thing over and over in which case I would say indulge at your hearts delight.

Sorry for the long post but just had to say it.

Once again, COP11, I am sorry for my misplaced comments and any harm I might have caused you because of them.

Before I saw your new response I had already edited my comment on it seeing it was indeed a bit inapproriate.

And I do! My surgeon does amazing work. If you get breast cancer and have to have a double mastectomy LIKE I DID, maybe you can look him up. So sit up on there on your little pedestal and judge me all you fucking want! Go through what I went through little girl, and let's see how you fucking come out!

I never knew you had breast cancer

Anyway....I apologize for my previous comments then with this new knowlegde. Since we started out treating each other on sword point the first time we had any interaction there really was no time to find out for me the specific reason why you took plastic surgery.

Previously I was thinking it was just for esthetic or self-image reasons, but having it for a medical reason put's it into different perspective.

Hope you can forgive me

I am completly into all kinds of prog, be it soft melodic to extreme/tech metal.

I like it proggy

Real prog or fake prog?

Bands must be told!

As per me: Ella Fitzgerald, Elton John, Rush (duh), Matthew Good

The whole list ??

- Anglagard

- Magenta

- Symphony X

- Shadow Gallery

- Jethro Tull

- Psychotic Waltz

- Tool

- Camel

- Rush

- Haken

- Nemo

- Atheist

- Orphaned Land

- Renaissance

- Fates Warning

- Kamelot

- Pain of Salvation

- Maudlin of the well

- Inducti

- The Decembrists

- Peter Hammil

- IQ

- Marillion

- Porcupine Tree

- Focus

- Cynic

- Alan Parson Project

- Grindrolog

- Anathema

- Caravan

- Genesis

- Unexpect

- Green Carnation

- Yes

- Gazpacho

- Redemption

- Kansas

- Steve Hackett

- Disillusion

- Neal Morse

- Sieges Even

- King Crimson

- Gryphon

- Gentle Giant

- Hawkwind

- Eloy

- Devin Townsend

- Savatage

- Mike Oldfield

- Beardfish

- Dream Theater

- Liquid Tension Experiment

- Blind Guardian

- Demons and Wizards

- Sylvan

- Sigur Ros

- Peter Gabriel

- Ayreon

- Riverside

- Threshold

- Return to Forever

- Arena

- Magma

- Tangerine Dream

- Phideaux

- Dun

- Queensryche

- Kayo Dot

- Al di Meola

- Opeth

- Gojira

- Van der Graaf Generator

- Kraftwerk

- Pink Floyd

- Premiato Forneria Marconi

- Bacamarte

- Banca del Muoto Soccorso

- Mahavishnu Orchestra

- Harmony

Not in any specific order........

Proggy enough ??

Feel free to ask me anything about any of the bands, know them quite well

P.S --> I know you got your name from one of the song's in the moving pictures album (From Rush). Personally I liked YYZ, Tom Sawyer and Witch Hunt the most from it.

Well you should thank "the creator" for that

He seems to have done good work on you then

I am completly into all kinds of prog, be it soft melodic to extreme/tech metal.

I like it proggy

Ah...they are not that popular ??

That's too bad....never looked there myself much so I wouldn't know. Don't know but male models usually do not do it for me. They seem too arrogant or sure of themselves and then you have models who look almost like girls which I don't like either.

An actor which I do like a lot was the one who played Hector in the film Troy.

This may sound strange but the most attractive guy I've ever seen is actually a game character. Geralt of Rivia just has it all for me. Alas, I seem to believe too much in fairy tales and nonsense like that.

A meal at the cantina of CMC Vellore

yeah for the guys,Aranka

A gender does not have to define preference

And besides, even as a heterosexual girl I could enjoy the esthetics of a beautifull female

To be a kiki, or not to be a kiki

That is the question

Going on the shakespeare tour are we ?

Hello to you and I for one do accept another member on BZ

A survey amongst men has shown out that on average they would prefer a C to a D and not DD or more.

You can find a survey "amongst men" to say a lot of things just by virtue of the fact that there's billions of people in the world and countless survey. What makes a survey valid is how many people were surveyed and who was surveyed. With that information, not only does the information become valid, but the other person may then adequately decide whether said stats are relevant or not. A survey 'of women' said they like 6'1 more than 6'6. That looks authoritative on its own....but the truth is only 30 women were surveyed . So, regardless of the subject matter, unless one is running a political campaign I suppose, how many and who/where are what make stats relevant. And even aside, based on not only comparing the attention they get in everyday life, but the number of women with fat bank accounts solely on the grounds of their breasts and the size they generally are, I find it hard to believe that survey represents the 'average' man. But I bet if Keeley Hazel, for example were C she wouldn't be nearly as popular and likely not famous at all. And look how much Pamela Anderson's career took off when she upgrated from C to DD and look how it went down the toilet when she took them out and overnight got back on track when she got them back. That's not to say 'every' man, but their popularity and those like them is male driven and probably a greater indication of a larger numbe of men. That's not to say one is 'better' than the other one of course.

You do not need to explain scientific research to me Joe. I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself thank you. It was just that I was too bored to go explain a simple fact other people could also just look up. Besides, stating your first argument and then trying to base a claim based on examples is pretty much shooting yourself in the leg.

Granted, if we bring up a statement from an external source we should give it and describe the extent of it. What do you do ? You state something and then without giving proof just name 2 people, a porn actress and a what... a singer ?? to define the general attitude towards females. I will not deny that there isn't a market for women with large breasts, like porn industry, but it is not seen as ideal or perfect girlfriend-material (or a fling must be regarded as a girlfriend)

Are you not forgetting that a lot of topmodels, you being an active member of bellazon.com should know, have C or smaller breasts ??

But to explain where I got my statement from here some sites:

One site

Another site

Another site

And of course you have other articles but may I point out that these have rather economic interests related to them (like a plastic surgeon) :

Stating that men prefer larger breasts

Besides...all these studies are based on a Western point of view since breast size seems to be less of an issue in other cultures.

Welcome to bellazon

And about your image being a bit simplistic...it's okay...from your story we can at least tell you seem to be motivated

Thanks Aranka. Love your signature pic. 'Hallo' by the way, is that the correct Dutch greeting in this context?

Hallo would indeed be a proper dutch greeting in this context yes

And it's nice of you to comment on my signature pic

I'm just wondering if it's cold and lonely up there on her pedestal of ignorance...

Ah, but hun you forget, in her world WE are the ignorant ones

Not ignorant really...that's not the word I was looking for.

Well I personally detest Christopher Hitchens views personally. He has no intellectual depth in his work, nor does he make a strong case for atheism.

Being an atheist myself I personally do not perceive there to be any atheist high priest. Rather, the arguments brought forth by various people does not need the presence of those people to still ring valid.

If there is a highpriest at all, then it should be Richard Dawkins and not Christopher Hitchens. But that really goes against the sense of atheism itself since it is a set of mind that tells you that there is no one guiding your life. That you need to make the most of life itself and use youe own intellect and sense of morality to live life as best as you can. We do not long for priests....