SympathysSilhouette Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 12:58 AM, frenchkiki said: Jordan Peterson is the handmaid's tale on is own This guy is will be laughable if the bullshit he says wasn't that dangerous. +1 I just don't understand why he is taken seriously as an intellectual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleVixen Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Stromboli1 said: What about the facial tattoo trend? Still trying to figure that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael* Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 hours ago, SympathysSilhouette said: +1 I just don't understand why he is taken seriously as an intellectual? I must confess, I'd never heard of him until the now-infamous Channel 4 interview took place, but I'd imagine that he would only be considered a genuine intellectual by folks for whom the Twitter style of debate has become a way of life. He essentially operates like an experienced stand up comedian, well-practiced ‘schtick’ with clearly defined ‘bits' and therefore can bat aside any 'hecklers' with relative ease. Where he falls down is that he seemingly tries to combat so-called 'undergrad' identity politics with Fox News identity politics, basically just bucketing together large groups of people that he doesn't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 These questions are answered in the ensuing discussion................he is not for social democrats and liberals. He's for conservatives and he has a significant fanbase of young men, many of which bought his books which have sold millions. More significantly he is seen as a pseudo"father figure" by young male fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 hours ago, CandleVixen said: My take is that tattoos are popular, and thus everyone should have them. A lot of bad tattoos (that will be regretted later in life) that cover large portions of the body are happening. Looks like a mess of blue ink I'm not against Tattoos in general but people change during their lives and a tattoo they made now could easily be very unappealing 10 years later. Tattoos must be very carefully selected. 11 hours ago, Stromboli1 said: What about the facial tattoo trend? pretty bad. Full-on Neck tattoos are also very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrico_sw Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 hours ago, SympathysSilhouette said: +1 I just don't understand why he is taken seriously as an intellectual? Most mainstream media usually consider that left-wing thinkers are the only thinkers. They are blind to their own bias. By bringing an other viewpoint, this Peterson brings critical thinking in the confined mainstream media. They should thank him for that. Diversity of thought is like fresh air in closed room. Both left-wing and right-wing thinkers should consider civil disagreement as a gift. They should all listen to each other, instead of treating one another as outcasts. This Peterson has his place in the debate, whether he's right or wrong; at least he brings openness in a sad media world. Even when he's wrong, he makes us think. I prefer one intellectual who goes against the flow (even when I disagree with him), than a thousand intellectuals who say the same things every day... (even when I agree with them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrico_sw Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 We are lucky enough to live in democracies. We should fight for people who don't think like ourselves... we should fight for them to be able to express freely. This used to be a key creed in our world: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. Let's keep our faith in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrico_sw Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 10 hours ago, Michael* said: I must confess, I'd never heard of him until the now-infamous Channel 4 interview took place, but I'd imagine that he would only be considered a genuine intellectual by folks for whom the Twitter style of debate has become a way of life. He essentially operates like an experienced stand up comedian, well-practiced ‘schtick’ with clearly defined ‘bits' and therefore can bat aside any 'hecklers' with relative ease. Where he falls down is that he seemingly tries to combat so-called 'undergrad' identity politics with Fox News identity politics, basically just bucketing together large groups of people that he doesn't like. His interviews are not interesting at all. It's either a journalist trying to trick him.... or him trying to trick journalists. It's part of one of my earlier points: both left-wing and right-wing thinkers should make use of "civil disagreement"... but at the moment, they don't. They either pat their peers on the back or they insult their opponents. That's why the media world has become boring . Fox news guys on one side, CNN guys on the other, and the rest of the world is constrained to pick sides (and if you don't, someone will assign one to you). You should try one of Peterson's conferences. Even if you disagree with him, you'll see that it's interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I think quite a lot of men copied the Ragner haircut for a couple of years. Also the Samurai top knot. Looks cool but 100% out of place in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael* Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 13 hours ago, Enrico_sw said: His interviews are not interesting at all. It's either a journalist trying to trick him.... or him trying to trick journalists. It's part of one of my earlier points: both left-wing and right-wing thinkers should make use of "civil disagreement"... but at the moment, they don't. They either pat their peers on the back or they insult their opponents. That's why the media world has become boring . Fox news guys on one side, CNN guys on the other, and the rest of the world is constrained to pick sides (and if you don't, someone will assign one to you). You should try one of Peterson's conferences. Even if you disagree with him, you'll see that it's interesting. That's more or less what I meant by 'Twitter style debate', as in that little game of trying to box your opponent into a corner where they’re perceived to have said something stupid or objectionable. That lack of reasonable discourse is usually what happens when opinions and gut instincts are treated with equal importance to facts and context. We seem to have found ourselves in an age where people get to claim that the truth doesn't tell the whole story, which is completely insane. Peterson's own takes on practical everyday stuff are probably where he's on the strongest ground and of course, if he didn't resonate with people, he wouldn’t have an audience. A lot of the other things he says are obviously silly, but he says all of it with similar gusto and conviction, which as a result makes him fairly easy to criticise. At the same time though, I get that sinking feeling that if it hadn't been for the silly stuff, he wouldn't be anything like as popular or famous as he is now. Plus, he once posed for a photo with Mumford & Sons. I'd like to see even his most ardent supporters try to justify that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stromboli1 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 https://local.theonion.com/woman-didn-t-know-progress-on-toxic-masculinity-would-t-1831869468 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 9:08 AM, Michael* said: That's more or less what I meant by 'Twitter style debate', as in that little game of trying to box your opponent into a corner where they’re perceived to have said something stupid or objectionable. That lack of reasonable discourse is usually what happens when opinions and gut instincts are treated with equal importance to facts and context. We seem to have found ourselves in an age where people get to claim that the truth doesn't tell the whole story, which is completely insane. Peterson's own takes on practical everyday stuff are probably where he's on the strongest ground and of course, if he didn't resonate with people, he wouldn’t have an audience. A lot of the other things he says are obviously silly, but he says all of it with similar gusto and conviction, which as a result makes him fairly easy to criticise. At the same time though, I get that sinking feeling that if it hadn't been for the silly stuff, he wouldn't be anything like as popular or famous as he is now. Plus, he once posed for a photo with Mumford & Sons. I'd like to see even his most ardent supporters try to justify that. This is rather unspecific, you could be describing EVERY public intellectual (the vast majority are social democrats) involved in politics out there and pushing their own agenda. In the media it's all about rhetoric and sophistry in order to gain a fanbase, not dry academic discussion. What exactly (in the details/viewpoints) do you find objectionable about him? The right wing like JP because he says what they want to hear (he is "secular" traditional conservative in disguise)and he is a rare breed- a right wing academic pundit. The left wing academic pundits probably outnumber the right 20 to 1, or more. I'm more curious about why the left wing hates him- do you hate him because you absorbed anti-JP media or did you spend some time looking at his youtube snippets? Take away the politics and he is a college professor that specializes in Jungian psychology - is this objectionable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael* Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 1:54 AM, Cult Icon said: This is rather unspecific, you could be describing EVERY public intellectual (the vast majority are social democrats) involved in politics out there and pushing their own agenda. In the media it's all about rhetoric and sophistry in order to gain a fanbase, not dry academic discussion. What exactly (in the details/viewpoints) do you find objectionable about him? The right wing like JP because he says what they want to hear (he is "secular" traditional conservative in disguise)and he is a rare breed- a right wing academic pundit. The left wing academic pundits probably outnumber the right 20 to 1, or more. I'm more curious about why the left wing hates him- do you hate him because you absorbed anti-JP media or did you spend some time looking at his youtube snippets? Take away the politics and he is a college professor that specializes in Jungian psychology - is this objectionable? I had no clue who he was until about a year ago when the Channel 4 interview happened, after which I read up on him a little. Honestly, I'm not convinced he has an overarching philosophy beyond some fairly routine takes on gender roles, self reliance and not expecting the world to owe you a favour. The rest feels more like of a mosaic of notions, gathering together his observations on evolutionary biology, a pinch of Nietzsche and Jung, and a rather stern biblical take on creation. I think his biggest error is to hold up the west as a paragon of virtue, which obviously chimes with his traditional take on things, but doesn't acknowledge that the same set of values has also failed to prevent some of the worst behaviour that the relative modern world has ever seen, or allow for the possibility that those values might easily be subverted, to a catastrophic extent. That's not to say that some of what he dislikes completely misses the mark, but he seems downright myopic about the myriad of flaws in a system he values so much. As for his railing against Post Modernists and Marxists (two groups which aren't nearly as interchangable as he imagines), he appears to make a very simplistic leap of logic from his disdain for some Marxists and academics to an apparent supposition that some kind of totalitarian cabal is responsible for most of the ills of the 20th century, and has subsequently mutated into a potent force in education trying to unpick all the glue that holds western civilisation together. If that is indeed what he's saying and not just how I'm interpreting things, then there's more than a whiff of silly conspiracy theory there and frankly, I don't buy it for a minute. Of course, the problem with that sort of thing, as with flat earthers, climate change deniers etc, is that it's actually quite difficult to engage without acknowledging an alternate reality on which it's based and spending a lot of time unpicking it, and doing so seems to confer some sort of spurious credibility. Anyway, hopefully some of that was coherent, apologies for what is essentially a stream of consciousness rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stromboli1 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 At least USA Powerlifting is sane, needs to happen worldwide in all athletic competitions. https://www.newsweek.com/usa-powerlifting-ban-transgender-women-competing-1316259 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchkiki Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 SERIOUSLY???? All I see is some kind of modern art homage or even surrealist art (Jean Cocteau's art too) and some uneducated idiots see black face 😣🙄😶 And the worse in that is that the brand APOLOGY to the morons and removed the shoes from the stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILUVAdrianaLima Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 @frenchkiki when I read upon this I couldn't help but role my eyes and laugh. The segment of our population who keeps this hyper sensitivity to all things being some sort of attack on a group need to put a plastic bag over their head and breath heavily for 5 minutes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stromboli1 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, frenchkiki said: SERIOUSLY???? All I see is some kind of modern art homage or even surrealist art (Jean Cocteau's art too) and some uneducated idiots see black face 😣🙄😶 And the worse in that is that the brand APOLOGY to the morons and removed the shoes from the stores. Welcome to outrage culture and good luck discussing facts with them. A company caves again to public outrage and issues and apology because survey says they don't give a fuck about the outrage just about the money they'll lose.... happens all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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