Caroline Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 You are so right . That's exactly what I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hime Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 ok, so let's keep it cool before the religious people will kill us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Agreed, but I just hope they won't kill us in the name of God, since God is love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hime Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 you know, in Israel, everything we learn at school is "love your country" and "believe in god" and I see those believers and for me they are 100% sinners, I don't care what written in the bible, first of all you gotta know how to behave, you gotta know what's wrong and what's right and no book will teach you that. after all I learned to love my country...Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 So true what you are saying That's what I think : be yourself. I prefer someone who's bad by own choice, that someone who's good by what other people said/say , because at least the evil one is honest, he or she is being her/himself. I live in a very religious country, and even went to a religious school when little, and I can say I've never read a book so full of hate and revenge like the Bible. It's not easy to be an atheist here, actually it's considered as a terrible sin. I've suffered from that, with people treating me bad just because i'm not religious. And it's sad when you are considered as a good person because of the team you belong to and not because of the way you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hime Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 ^at least you can live knowing you are controling your life and not been "hypnotized" by those stupid psychos. you can lough at them in the face but they won't understand couse they are living in a bubble, so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 I guess so But it's like you said : Who wants to live inside a bubble? This reminds me that story of the dog and the bone. The dog is on a bridge and starts looking at the running water; then it sees there seems to be a bigger bone on the water, when it's actually the reflexion of the bone the dog has. The dog let's its bone fall in order to get the bigger one....... and it finds it never existed....... same thing here. Live this life with love and freedom, and what if you are reckless? being reckless is much better that live waiting for that "bigger bone". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hime Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 ....and then the dog drowing. so true. I'm happy that I found somebody who understand me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 I say the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Caroline, it's nothing wrong with being different. For me, those peole who stand up are mosly likely to succeed than those who are afraid of their opinions and just doesn't think with their own head... they rather follow someone's else rules. So don't listen if someone says sth bad about you, you have a right to be an atheist and your own morals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hime Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 well said the result is funny: 11 say they believe. 12 say they don't. how close is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Thank you Brit for your kind words Well, let's see....... 12/11...... if ghosts are voting more than once, then it ain't no fair <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogeyman Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 The last two pages were full of idiotic comments like the following: I live in a very religious country, and even went to a religious school when little, and I can say I've never read a book so full of hate and revenge like the Bible. Looks like you didn't just get it... Did you read the New Testament? I think you missed something (Probably 90%). But seriously, people should live this life, and live it without speculations or fears thinking about a coming life they don't even know it really exists, and like I said before, be good or bad by own choice and not according to what other people tell you to do and be According to you it's OK to kill people or to do other misfit actions. Because, as you said, be good or bad by own choice and not according to what other people tell you to do and be. So it would be: 1. Other people tell me killing a human being is bad. 2. I want to be good or bad by own choice. So I choose to be bad. ________ The conclusion: I can kill people and there's nothing wrong about it. people are so afraid of the death it's so funny.... in the end of all everybody die and that's it, dead body=dead soul There's no prove for that. For me your statement is kind of funny. It reminds me of some communists who actually thought they could prove that there's no soul with the following experiment: 1. Put a man on the scales and the scales will show his weight. 2. Let the man die (but don't remove his body from the scales) 3. If the soul does exist his body should now be lighter because his soul has left his body. __________ The conclusion: The scales didn't change -> Souls doesn't exist. You're doing the same mistake as above; you're not able (like the communists) to recognize the difference between material and non-material beings. The most simple example for a non-material being is the human thought or idea. You can't explain the thought within the framework of materialsm. only 3 wise people?woot, don't hate me I'm not going to hell couse i don't believe in something that doesn't exist. You don't know the meaning of wisdom, don't you? And yet you're saying that atheist people are "wise"... which I find to be very funny. So, according to you atheism is a new synonym for wisdom? Also, I don't see any sense in stupid sentences like: "I'm not going to hell couse i don't believe in something that doesn't exist." 1. You're saying that you don't believe in things that doens't exist (I guess things like God, heaven, hell, etc...) 2. But still you're saying: "I'm not going to hell", as if hell exists. If you're not going to hell... where are you going? And who do you mean by I? You or your body. Just remembered an intersting question. Do we say I'm a body or I have a body? I think it's very clear that the first option (I'm a body) sounds very stupid, but that's exactly what atheists/materialsts think. More appropriate is the second option (I have a body), and this clearly indicates that there exists more than just the body. Because when saying I have a body, a new questions springs up: Who's the owner of the body? What I hate the most is that idea of bad things come from the devil and good things from god....... now let's take some more responsability on the things we do : Good or bad things are the result of our acts. Usually God and devil are synonyms for good and evil. But there you got a point; good and bad things are results of human acts. Even in the book of hate and vengance (as some people here called the Bible) is written that man has free will. Man can choose between good or evil. And I have a theory that in the Ancient Times when people wasn't very educated then they tried to find answers how this and this was made. Anyway people who nowdays belive in God and think he was the key to success, must be not very eduacted. Well that's my theory... Actually, I couldn't believe that someone wrote something stupid like that. I'd like to explain some things: 1. People were educated even in ancient times. 2. You said people searched for God because they didn't know how this and this was made? Could you tell me please how this and this is made? 3. Your statement that people who believe in God aren't well educated is pointless and idiotic. But it proves one thing -> You're totally uneducated. God isn't in the sky with angels and looks down to us, it's all made up (no offence, Christians) How old are you? In the end I am wondering why no one of the "educated" people didn't answer Juba's post on the first page. He made some good points and it looks like he got some good knowledge in natural philosophy. Just in case on of the "educated" missed it: Juba's post: Even I'm not talking about a "personalized" god (like God, Jahve or Alah), God must exist, he is the first or "unmovable" mover. See, every single being what exists has it's cause. For example: Me and you, or any other person is the consequence of his/her parents. No material being can be its cause and its consequence at the same time. But when we look better and when we begin questioning about the genesis, about the begining of life and universe, we can't no-longer believe that this cause-effect-chain goes in infinitum. This even have to admit the grimmest materialists. Today the majority of scientists believe in the "Big Bang" theory, and until now no-one can give a reasonable explanation to this occurrence without talking about God. So God exists that's certain, but the true question is: What is God like? Is he like in the Bible, Kuran etc... or is he like Aristotles described: The unmovable mover who just gave the first impulse and after that he doesn't meddle with the "ordinary" world. Boy oh boy, so may questions... but so little knowledge and opportunities to know more (Life is f*ucking short)! Here comes the more "ethic" part You also said ppl believe in God because of "comfort", quite the contrary, the life of an orthodox christian, moslem or jew I wouldn't describe as a "comfort" (if you know what i'm talking about). Isn't it easier just to abandon God and to live like you want? Look I'd also like that there's nothing after death, life could be so easy and enjoyable. But damn... somehow I know it can't be like that, it's only a boundary (death)... I'd say ppl who don't believe in God are looking for comfort, they are looking for an exculpation for their maybe not so moral doings. Because if there isn't God, ppl can do anything they want, I really mean anything... and in the end we all would be dead and that's it. But it isn't like that... you know what I'm talking about... moral, the inner voice and stuff like that. Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that every atheist is a sinner. I know atheists who are better ppl than so-called "believers". Anyway, even from a rational and scientifical point of view God does exists (it's not only about ethic). Aristotles proved it thousands of years ago with his Metaphysic, even Einstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, believed in God. Always have on your mind that i am talking about God as a philosophically princip. No offence, but I think no one of the "educated" people is capable to answer those questions, not only that, their way to debate about such profound subjects is more than foolishly and childish. Regards, Bogeyman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Gee...for a second I felt I was back to elementary But I just can't believe this "religious" brainwash would spread like this <_< . The only thing I'll say is : First, I've just returned from school and I'm too tired to read all that above. And the second thing is: it's sad to see people canit express themselves without being judged. It's cool to post our opinions, but asking others to justify themselves??? I don't know....... if that's the attitude you get for not "missing the other 90% or because of an overdosis of Jehovah's Witnessess "The Watchtower" and "Awake!" magazines....... then I don't want it And all that info.... oh my, haven't you ever tried something new or from another point of view? Oh, sure... I forgot there ain't other point of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Looks like you didn't just get it... Did you read the New Testament? I think you missed something (Probably 90%). Matthew 12:30 "He that is not with me is against me."Besides, the New Testament is not exactly 90% of the Bible. According to you it's OK to kill people or to do other misfit actions. Because, as you said, be good or bad by own choice and not according to what other people tell you to do and be. So it would be: 1. Other people tell me killing a human being is bad.2. I want to be good or bad by own choice. So I choose to be bad.________The conclusion: I can kill people and there's nothing wrong about it. Slippery slope. people are so afraid of the death it's so funny.... in the end of all everybody die and that's it, dead body=dead soul There's no prove for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemeside Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 def noi won't start to argue 'cos it can be with bad end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Angel Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I believe in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hime Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 No offence, but I think no one of the "educated" people is capable to answer those questions, not only that, their way to debate about such profound subjects is more than foolishly and childish. so you are saying it's more logical that "god" created all these stuff. hahah whatever I'm not going to argue with you couse it's useless....you believe...ok none of my buisness, don't attack me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogeyman Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I expected I wouldn't get a well-argumented answer from you. lol I wasn't even talking about religion, but as I expected you are not able to differ religion from philosophy and logic. I'm sorry I disturbed your stupid and childish discussion. Just go on, but before I leave I want to answer some stupid comments, as I did before: Gee...for a second I felt I was back to elementary rolly.gif But I just can't believe this "religious" brainwash would spread like this dry.gif . The only thing I'll say is : First, I've just returned from school and I'm too tired to read all that above. And the second thing is: it's sad to see people canit express themselves without being judged. It's cool to post our opinions, but asking others to justify themselves??? I don't know....... if that's the attitude you get for not "missing the other 90% or because of an overdosis of Jehovah's Witnessess "The Watchtower" and "Awake!" magazines....... then I don't want it wave.gifAnd all that info.... oh my, haven't you ever tried something new or from another point of view? Oh, sure... I forgot there ain't other point of view whistle.gif Matthew 12:30 "He that is not with me is against me." Yeah really those Christians are really full of hate... You have found one quote, which isn't even full of hate. In the christian religion Jesus represents the way, life, truth, love and other positive things. So if you're not with that, you're against it, or not? He comes to save mankind. God sacrifices his only son for the mankind. I don't really see any hate there? And one more thing: if the Bible is full of hate, the religion who appeals to the Bible also should be full of hate. That means that Christians and Jews are full of hate? Besides, the New Testament is not exactly 90% of the Bible. Oh really? I didn't know that lol. I think you missunderstood me. I meant 90 percent of the New Testament. But I don't think that this is really a problem, or. No prove for soul either. Soul is something that differs people from animals. Slippery slope Is that all you can say? Your answer is the only thing here slippery slope. Causality. No free will. look. I don't about you, but usally people have free will. People can choose how to live. If you can't that's your prob. And yet they worshipped dung beetles. Today people worship Paris Hilton. What's the difference? Well, I also doubt you're familiar with ingeniously minds like Socartes, Platon, Aristoteles, Plotinus, Philo and much more. If we only had such people today... they didn't worship dung beetles, neither P. Hilton. Well, I'm finished here. Didn't expected much anyway... Someone posted a prove for God's existence (juba), still no-one of the "educated" atheists was able to disclaim him. And now I m just laughing my guts out. Your problem is that your narrow mind isn't competent to apprehend the existence of such a superior and all-causally Being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hime Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Your problem is that your narrow mind isn't competent to apprehend the existence of such a superior and all-causally Being. :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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