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On 12/17/2020 at 12:29 PM, PinkCouture said:

Random observation, but I just noticed in this video for the first time that Candice's accent is becoming subtly more Americanized. The way she pronounces certain words like "care" and "somewhere" sounds more American than how she would have pronounced it in her traditional accent. I guess it's just the fact that she's lived here for so many years now. I noticed the same thing with Behati 2 years ago at the 2018 VS show. She did a red carpet interview and sounded almost completely American with her pronunciation.

I don't know why I pointed this out. I guess it's just weird to hear their traditional accents starting to change.

5 hours ago, Clauds said:

Elsa just deadass said in an interview she does not miss the VSFS at all  so I guess if anyone was still looking for it, this is probably the best confirmation we're getting that she's done with the brand because I doubt she'd say that if she was still working for them.

Lol that doesn't surprise me tbh. Didn't she just announce her pregnancy? She probably wants to spend more time focusing on her family and not VS (like Behati). So I can understand her being done with the brand for good.

Yeah I don't think the show is coming back. It was getting stale the last few years and lost its spark from the earlier shows, which is why the viewership plummeted. Plus I dont think VS has the budget to host it anymore considering the financial problems they've been having. I think the only unknown at this point is whether the angel concept will be officially retired, because without the show who really cares about the angels? I think social media really killed the allure of the brand.

^ I agree. If the show is truly over, I think it was definitely fitting that it ended when Adriana left. Adriana was the last model from the golden generation of VS (with Gisele & Tyra). She helped put VS on the map back in the day and then helped carry the brand for nearly 2 decades. Once she left, VS knew it was a wrap. I just don't think any of the newer models/angels can draw in mainstream attention like that anymore. But we'll see.

My only saving grace is that we at least have some great VS shows from years ago that we can rewatch on youtube and relive the glory days. That's what I do is just rewatch the old shows from 2003-2012. I miss Behati, Adriana, Tyra, Doutzen and Gisele!!!

^ Good question! I think the key to being a good spokesmodel is not only having the right look, but also having the right personality. Confidence is key.

My favorite VS spokesmodel, by far, was Tyra. She had one of the best personalities ever for a VS model in my opinion; she was the perfect combination of sexiness & confidence with a fun, playful outgoing-ness at the same time. That's why people were so drawn to her and the VS brand back in the day. She was absolutely perfect for a brand like VS and helped put in on the map. I also loved Adriana as a spokesmodel because of the exoticness of her look/persona; she just oozed sultriness and womanly confidence which was exactly what the VS brand was originally about. She also had a quirky, goofy side which I loved as well. Heidi, Gisele and Behati also had really fun personalities, which I think made them great spokesmodels as well.

Out of all the current & new angels, I think Barbara is the most promising as a spokesmodel because she definitely seems to have that fun, outgoing personality that draws people in (even if the brand is struggling these days).

My least favorite spokesmodel (in terms of speaking & promoting) was definitely Candice because, like I've said before, she just didn't have the personality for VS. She didn't have the same confidence or outgoing-ness that Tyra and them did. I always thought she had the personality of a shy, awkward schoolgirl when she would speak, not a confident self-assured VS model. Of course she had a great body for VS, but beyond that she's quite boring as a person, and that doesn't make for a good spokesmodel for any brand.

I also didn't care for Erin, Lily, Karlie and Selita as spokesmodels, as well as most of the current angels, because like Candice I just found them quite boring. Idk. I'm all about personality I guess. Having a good personality + confidence is the key to being a good spokesmodel/representative for a brand because it's how you draw people in and make them wanna buy the product & support the brand. If you don't have that, then people won't be as interested in the brand as a whole. 

Edit: Just found this old video of Gisele promoting a VS fragrance for men. This is the kind of confidence and outgoing personality that makes for a great spokesmodel.

14 hours ago, bump said:

^Thanks for posting. I don't like Stella, but I do like trying to figure who is and isn't an Angel.

 

I just wish that when an Angel leaves the brand, VS would say something, especially for someone like Alessandra, Behati, Candice, and Lily... they were with the company for YEARS and were very recognizable,. Lily is doing all kinds of videos (everything from her house tour with Architectural Digest to Vogue), Behati is still in the public eye for her marriage, Ale is Ale, and Candice.. she doesn't seem to be to well known, but she WAS VS for  while, she is a very important Angel....it just would've been nice for VS to say something and congratulate them on the next step of their career. It's like throwing a party for a coworker who is leaving/retiring, it's just a nice thing to do. And it would clear up a lot of confusion for the fans. 

 

YES to all of this! I just hate the confusion of not knowing whether certain angels are officially gone or whether they're technically still "with" the brand. For a while I kept waiting and waiting for anything whatsoever with Behati, but there was just nothing. It was so frustrating. Eventually I just resigned myself to the fact that she probably left the brand for good. But I just wish VS or even Behati herself would've said something- anything just to make it official and erase any confusion. Same with Candice. It seems weird that neither VS nor Candice would say a single thing about her departure considering she was one of the biggest angels in the last 10 years. Idk. Im not bitter about it, but it just would've been nice to be able to officially close that chapter in VS' book instead of leaving all this room open for speculation. I guess if Candice ever changes her IG handle and removes the 'angel' part, then that might be a pretty clear confirmation lol.

About the VS photos, I think its a combination of not having as big of a budget anymore as well as VS wanting to go the more natural route with their aesthetic. Its pretty clear that VS is trying to rebrand themselves with the more natural & relatable look that other brands are going for these days. So the colors and sets they're using for the photoshoots are much more relaxed and the colors are much less vibrant than they used to be. I've noticed it with the commercials too. A lot of the commercials in recent years have been way more laid-back and not as exciting and vibrant as they were years ago. Its sad because I miss how exciting and vibrant the brand used to be as a whole. A lot of the stuff is getting really boring nowadays. Idk maybe its just me. I do like some of the recent swim photos; the collabs are pretty good too. But VS is definitely not as lively as it once was.

6 hours ago, Clauds said:

Candice, Martha, Elsa and Behati are all gone. They haven't been in anything VS related all of 2020 (Behati since late 2018), and they have also been left out of all the quarantine and Mother's Day posts, there is no reason whatsoever why these women would be cut from cheap, home made videos, particularly Candice and Behati being left out of the Mother's Day stuff is odd if they are still under contract. VS never makes announcements when a girl leaves, it was a rarity we got an announcement for Adriana but considering she was the public's favorite angel it makes sense just like it did with Tyra, Alessandra didn't get one, she got like 0.05 seconds mention in the show, but there was no announcement for Rosie, Karolina, Marisa, Lily, Lindsay, Chanel, Jac or Kate, not even Heidi Klum or Gisele got a proper announcement, the only other exits that were addressed recently were Doutzen and Karlie who got a instagram post from Ed Razek, there was nothing official from VS.

 

I'm actually wondering if Candice will expand her line into lingerie as well as the swimsuits seem to be selling pretty well.

That's what I figured but I didn't know for sure. lol, thanks for clarifying. I still wish there wouldve been something for Behati. She came back for the fashion show in 2018 and everyone got all excited that she was back after 3 years, but then that was it. It was like she just left the scene after that. Maybe her coming back for one last VS show was her sort of goodbye sendoff. Either way i'll miss her. If anything i'm more surprised they didnt do anything for Candice seeing as how much VS used to push her and make her the center of everything. Oh well. They both had a good run with VS while it lasted. I guess that's what matters.

12 hours ago, Fitgirl88 said:

Can someone be so kind to give me a quick update? I have been away for a few months, and I couldn't follow much VS news

 

As far as I know these are still the current Angels: Leomie, Grace, Elsa, Candice, Barbara, Romee, Lais, Jasmine, Martha, Taylor, Sara, Josephine, Stella, Alexina.

Any new angels? I have seen some new plus size models, and I noticed VS was working with Lorena a lot, but it seems they don't anymore?

And what about Behati?

You got all the current angels right. No new additions. And VS hasn't announced any angel departures since Adriana.

I can't say anything about Lorena because I don't follow her.

As for Behati, VS never officially announced her departure, but I've heard speculation that her contract ended in 2019. Plus, I don't think VS even uses her anymore so its pretty evident that she's no longer an angel. Its sad because Behati was one of the most popular angels in the last decade and she never got an official goodbye like Adriana or Alessandra. She was also one of my favorite angels. I wish VS would've done at least something to honor and thank her. It makes me wonder whether Candice will get an official goodbye if and when she leaves or whether she'll dip out quietly too.

10 hours ago, bump said:

I know nothing about the history of the shoes in the VSFS, but I would love to learn more! Thanks for the information you included, and I think this would be a great topic to discuss. 

 

As for Gisele, I was never a fan of hers, but I thought I'd read she had back problems and didn't want heavy wings because I can't see VS not giving her huge wings. I still think of Adriana and Alessandra, not Gisele, when I think of VS, but I know Gisele was a big deal. 

 

I remember the harp wings Candice was going to wear, but then she didn't. I can't remember if it was because they were too big for the runway or she couldn't carry them, though. 

The only wings I remember Gisele wearing were for her show openings in 2005 and 2006. She also wore a few sets of wings in 2000, 2001 & 2002 during segments. Interestingly, she didnt wear any wings in 2003.

As for Candice, I dont think the harp wings were too big for the runway or else they wouldn't have made them. I think Candice was just too short and small-framed to be able to handle them. Not everyone can handle big wings and also make it look easy at the same time. Heidi and Karolina always did really well with big wings.

8 hours ago, claudiawilliams said:

 

i thought we had talked about this here? but i guess it was on ig lol we won't have a show this year either, i mean, things are getting pretty bad in the us right now (for what i read on social media), we've been locked up a month now in my country and experts say that it's very likely that beaches will be closed the entire summer, clubs won't open until october/november (if quarantine ends in april and that won't happen) so... no, i don't see the show happening this year. if my country has a better situation that the us and we're like this...

I was saying it because VS never officially confirmed whether or not the show was happening this year, so up until now I suspected that there could still be a chance that they do it. However, with everyone quarantining/social distancing possibly through the summer I realized that it was more than likely that they can't even get together to plan the show now, so it probably won't be happening at all. But like others have said, I can see them not bringing it back at all at this point. It's kind of a thing of the past now and I think people have moved on.

Now that I think about it, I can see them not doing the fashion show this year with this whole covid-19 situation going on. Isn't it around this time of year when they start doing all the planning for the show? I watched a Youtube video once where they said they start planning the show around April, then it takes several months to get all the outfits designed & made as well as get the venue set up, not to mention the countless meetings they have during this time to make sure everything is running smoothly. But if everyone's self-isolating right now and will be for at least another month or so how can they put together a show? Just a random thought.

7 hours ago, bump said:

Even though Candice is my favorite, I agree with you. Doutzen and Miranda should've had more of the spotlight and they should've waited a bit to give Candice the FB and all that. She is obviously an amazing model for VS, but I still don't like that they pushed her so much. I feel like people know Miranda way more than they know Candice, especially those who aren't into fashion. I feel like Candice never blew up into a household name like Miranda did, and to somewhat lesser of a degree as Doutzen did. 

Candice is still my favorite, but I think she got too much attention and the other models should've gotten some of it as well. 

The thing about VS pushing Candice is that she never really had that superstar quality to begin with. And I really think it had to do with her personality. Sure she was a great model for VS, but She just didnt have that wow factor in her personality to really take it to the next level. To be honest she comes across as quite boring and dull- at least from the stuff i've seen with her. I think the only people who ever really pulled for Candice were VS fans/fashion insiders. I don't think the general public really took to her, which is why she didn't become a household name like Tyra or Heidi. I think ultimately she was just too shy and reserved to really stand out and make a name for herself outside of VS. Im not trying to discredit her though, She had an amazing career with VS and no one can take that away from her. But VS definitely should've focused on other models more instead of putting all their eggs into one basket with Candice.

I also agree with you about miranda, VS definitely missed a golden opportunity to promote her more because she's much more well-known and a mainstream figure. As for Doutzen I think VS just sadly pushed her to the side while they focused on Candice. It is what it is. At least Doutzen was prepared and made sure she had a good thing going for her in HF for when she left VS. She's still getting decent HF work today even as an older model.

9 hours ago, Marsnoop said:

 

100% to me even the last recognizable Angel group to me was Candice, Behati, Rosie, Miranda, and Doutzen.  Those were girls that VS made into stars.  And I wish Rosie and Miranda had stayed a bit longer to really cement that.  I feel like Emanuela de Paula also would have been a fantastic addition with those girls, and that would have been the clear successors to usher in the new decade as the top angels as Adriana/Ale/Heidi/Tyra/Gisele had done before.  

 

I feel like the VS executives were dumbstruck that Rosie and Miranda left as soon as they did and that pushed them to hold onto Ale and Adriana a bit longer for  that superstar status.  But no idea why they never developed Doutzen as much as Candice.  I'm guessing because Doutzen never had as restricted a contract and wanted to do more things besides VS, but to me these girls were the last recognizable and meaningful angel faces.  

 

The angel brand started being watered down when they added Izabel and Selita who became angels right away without any VS work, and Marisa (who was great at catalog but had no place in the show).  Then they went and hired Erin H, Chanel, Lindsay Ellingson, and Karlie who were all fantastic in HF, but again not really the VS type.  They just didn't really live up to the title, and by the time Romee/Stella/Martha/Elsa were being added I could barely tell any of them apart.  Even if I liked Taylor and Sara, I just wasn't that invested in them as angels because there was no point to being an angel.  No 3 outfits, wings, segment openings.   

I'm forever mad that Doutzen never got a fantasy bra. Idk if it was because of her looser brand commitments or what, but she was one of the best and most popular models they ever had. VS owes her a lot.

On 4/2/2020 at 11:56 AM, hillstreet said:

I said to someone on here not too long ago that I thought it was a mistake to bring the "nepo" girls into the VS show. Yes, they brought attention to the show, but it was at the expense of VS's own models. They should have been given that platform but instead they got overshadowed in the media coverage. So it's no surprise they aren't as big stars as previous Angels were.

This is (partly) why I say the concept of the angels is outdated. Being an angel is no longer the sole marker of success and influence in the modeling industry like it was in Gisele's heyday- save for Naomi. Now it's about being the son or daughter of a celebrity (i.e. nepo-model), being the best friend of a celebrity (i.e. Karlie, Lily) or having a shit ton of social media followers (i.e. influencer). Hence, being an "Angel" isn't as esteemed or prominent in this new generation. Hence, it's outdated.

I'm not saying I dislike the angels, though. I've loved many of them over the years. It's just like someone else said, there are no more true stars in the angel lineup. Adriana was the last one. But that's for VS to deal with lol.

I think it would be interesting if they revamp the angel lineup, but if i'm being honest the whole concept of the VS angels is pretty outdated. Think about it- the angel campaign was first launched in 1997, 23 years ago. The angels were extremely popular and influential in the early 2000s because the concept was still new and fresh. It's 2020 now and the concept is pretty played out at this point. I just don't think this new generation really cares that much about the VS angels; and I certainly don't think the angels are as influential as they once were. But like someone else said above, it's kind of VS's signature thing that sets them apart from other brands. So I can see why it would be hard for them to get rid of the angels altogether. Either way, whether they decide to revamp the lineup or get rid of the angels altogether it would definitely be taking a risk.

On 3/30/2020 at 3:45 AM, Clauds said:

Elsa is done, she was posting about her Gucci lingerie yesterday, no way she'd be allowed to do that under VS contract.

If Elsa's done then Candice definitely needs to leave. I can't think of any reason why it's still benefitting her at this point to stay other than being the resident "veteran angel." They could have had an Adriana/Alessandra 2.0 duo going on w/ Candice & Behati, but even Behati bounced. It's like Candice is just there now- but knowing VS they'll probably hold on to her for as long as they can. They also need to let go of Martha & Stella.

I wonder why they would close the online store for just a week or so and then reopen it now. Cases are still mounting everyday. I guess the brick-and-mortar stores are still closed though, so that's good.

3 hours ago, Larek said:

I also think that, the same way that there won't be a VSFS this year, all the Angel's are just fulfilling contract and they won't use that term anymore.

 

That or they will embrace what media has always done: call any women working for them an Angel.

 

I would not call VS dead however. I think they are just becoming a scaled down version of the brand. Better keep it simple, every women is an Angel and focus on your core business.

 

I will still looked fondly of the hey days but I think this is not the same company and also not the same social landscape. Goodbye for now

Have they confirmed whether they're doing the fashion show this year?

I guess I could see them not doing it, especially since Adriana's gone.

On 2/23/2020 at 3:41 PM, Schemer said:

 

Thank you, I was a huge fan of VS. And I'm sad where they are now.

VS Angel was a pop culture institution. It was a huge deal.

 

Today, we're not even 100% sure who the Angels are and the general population couldn't give a damn and could not even mention any of the new girls.

Most would still probably name Gisele, Adriana or Ale. lol

I think the reason most people can't name any of the current angels is because there are no more true supermodels in fashion. Back in the day you had Tyra, Gisele, Naomi, Heidi & Adriana working for the brand (Naomi wasn't an angel, but still). These were true supermodels that became household names. They all had that "it" factor that only few possessed; they had huge personalities and that star quality that made them stand out from all the rest.

These days, with the rise of Instagram and social media, it's like anyone can become a model. You no longer have to have the "it" factor, you just need a ton of followers. There's no one that stands out anymore because everyone is chasing after likes and trends. The whole concept of the supermodel is dead. Adriana was their last real household name; not even Candice reached her level. The current girls are pretty, but they just don't have the star quality of the previous era supers- which is why they're less known.

Like you, I'm also sad for where the brand is now. They really had a great number of years and I used to really enjoy watching the fashion show, but it's just not the same anymore and we have to accept that.

10 hours ago, PastaFreak said:

Curious question, but wasn't there a supposed insider's news back 2018 that Taylor (potentially) was no longer an angel? I get Leomie being placed alongside the other models, but find it weird that Taylor is there. Gives me vibes that she's been "downgraded". I know certain angels have been placed alongside non-angels for a shot but seeing Taylor there just screams "VS doesn't love her anymore". I'm probably reading too much into this but anyone care to debunk supposed rumor about Tay not being an angel?

 

Also, yes to Sui being used for a non-Asian only context based marketing campaign, good to see her in the picture after they did her dirty in 2018. With Ming being too busy with caring for her baby, Sui is the only Chinese face that has worked long enough for VS for the brand to feel comfortable using her in their campaign. Pity this didn't happen earlier or she could have been an angel, maybe that can still happen if the new acquisition of the brand can turn things around and make VSFS happen...

 

Edit: Didn't know Jasmine was in the New Neutrals campaign. Shit, girl barely had a presence. Still, my question about Taylor stands. What happened to Stella too btw?

 

I've never heard any rumors about Taylor not being an angel anymore. She's one of the youngest and has one of the biggest social media followings out of all the angels. So it seems unlikely that they would downgrade her. I also think she's one of the prettiest of the current angels. Her only downfall for me is her personality- or lack thereof. She comes across as quite boring and dull and gives off basic high school cheerleader vibes. Idk that's just me. I guess she's good for VS though since it's been made pretty clear that they're targeting younger and younger customers.

10 hours ago, toodarnhot said:

I have a feeling this new owner will mostly be selling VS off for parts. I think it's unlikely they could turn the brand around at this point. 

I agree. I think it's highly unlikely that they can turn the brand around at this point. It's just too many problems that have been building up for years and years- bad marketing, poor quality products, the MeToo movement, allegations of sexual assault, ties to an alleged sex trafficker. The list goes on and on. Plus the general public seems to have turned on them and the younger generation doesn't seem to care either. I really don't know what the new owner can do at this point to salvage the brand because it seems like even VS, themselves, have accepted that it can't be saved.

11 hours ago, bump said:

Yeah, I feel sorry for the Angels now too. Lily, Behati, Adriana, and Alessandra left at the right time! 

I wonder why Candice is still working for VS. She doesn't seem to work for them a lot, but I have seen pictures recently for VS from her. I wish she'd just leave. She's so much better than them. No one even talks about her and VS anymore. 

Do you know when Candice's contract ends? I was wondering the same thing too. I can't see why she would still be there at this point other than waiting for her contract to run out.

12 hours ago, Sensual said:

This company is getting deader by the day. I don't see any signs that they have actually changed or adapted to the market. They aren't using their angels anymore, and they aren't doing what they used to be like. I feel so sorry for the models.

I really wonder if being an angel is even a coveted thing anymore. With all the negative press the brand keeps getting these days it seems like it would hurt their careers/image more than help. At this point if they're gonna have angels they should really cut it down to 4 or 5 because 15 is WAY too many and some of them are rather forgettable. Being an angel just isn't what it used to be.

^ I just checked out the VDay collection on the website and a lot of the stuff looks cheap. Thin material, predictable colors, boring designs... I'm disappointed. And side note: i'm sick of all the bondage strap things they keep putting on the bras. Like who ever thought this was a good idea? It looks tacky and cheap.