Nserr004 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macunaima Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Natalia Sokolova? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerus Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Natalia Sokolov, the Russian actress/model, was born October 15, 1976 - making her 37"ish". I kinda doubt Besame is using models of Natalia's "experience". There - I said it. The usually use uber hot 20 "something" year olds from Brazil, or Columbia. Like (check these out): Daniela Tamayo (2011) Lina Posada (2012) Catalina Otalvaro (2012) Sandra Valencia (2010) Cristina Hurtado (2010 Adriana Arango) Natalia Velez (2011) Camila & Mariana (twins) Davalos (2012) Erika Botero (2007) here's a list of other names who have modeled for Besame: (in spanish): Bésame y la elegancia de una mujer Adriana Arango; Natalia Paris, Lady Noriega, Tatiana Gil, Victoria Silversted, Sara Ramirez, Carolina Betancurt, Lina Posada, Erika Botero, Karen Carreño, Patricia Silveiro, Shirley Gómez, Melissa Giraldo, Carolina Cruz, Laura Acuña Claudia Bahamón, Cristina Hurtado, Camila y Mariana Dávalos, Sandra Valencia y actualmente Daniela Tamayo y Mónica Fonseca, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelknowledge Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Don't say that. There are a lot of models in their 30s who still are very active in the lingerie ecommerce seen. Wendy dubbed, nienke van eck, Lauren gold, etc are just a few models that don't look their age and do a lot of lingerie work. There are plenty of models in their late 20s who work for Delia's and other teenage clothing lines. You book the age you look not the age you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nserr004 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Sí, pot ser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerus Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am NOT saying it isn't her. What I AM saying is that it's not their style to reach out to a RUSSIAN model, when the talent pool in that area of South America is lush with potential and it's homegrown. As well, I am NOT dissing anyone modeling at any age. I'm connecting the dots on the models they've used previously, as demonstrated IN MY POST, and that Natalia, if this is a current shot, doesn't fit that profile. These images asking for an id may be 10 years old, no date was given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelknowledge Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am not saying its this model or not. I am trying to teach you and anyone else something about this jndustry. Yes the images may be old or they could be new. It doesnt matter. A lot of work from south America is actually booked a lot from Miami. Most south American commercials are actually filmed in Europe. The brand might be south American but most south American countries don't have a big modeling market. Sure, brazil and argentina have large editorial and commerical markets but the others dont. Those Countries don't offer a lot for models thats why you dont see to many europeans or americans with agencies in south america, with the exception of brazil or argentina. Also, That's why all your Colombian and venezuelan models are based in Miami. Most of them don't even model or have an agency I those counties because most Latin American clients know they can book from Miami. Mexico books a lot from Los Angeles as well as other south western states. A lot of Texan agencies scout in Mexico and argentina. Miami scouts the Caribbean as well as south America. You have to think more or less where does this brand book from. What agencies represent those models. Sometimes brands book models through production companies like Elle liberachi. She doesn't have an agency in the uk. She gets her work through a creative agency. She has booked campaigns in countries she isn't even represented in. This comment is for everyone. I don't know how they book their models. I would make the assumption that they book from south America and possibly Miami. I am sure you can figure it out given you know a lot of the models. But they all have to have something in common. It could be a photographer, an agency, or location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerus Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Hey MK? I'm pretty sure the people coming here for id's aren't going to be your students of fashion, photography, agency knowledge, or model gossip. They wanna know 1 thing: DO YOU OR DON'T YOU KNOW THE MODEL I POSTED. Period. They don't want lists of 30 agencies to check out for 10 hours searching. They may be polite to you/me, and say "they've done all that", but really - They're looking for a binary. The lure of Bellazon model id, UMC model id, etc is 1 thing: LOTS of eyes on my pics - ... Ya know her? tell me. ., ya don't? Boo hoo - I don't get an id. The landscape is littered with hundreds of posters ith post counts under 10 and even more under 5. So.. This may be your passion and your vocation/avocation, but for 99% of the visitors here, they want a 1-off id with as LITTLE work as possible to secure it themselves, and they don't want an education. I don't need one either, thanks. I do plenty of ids here, and elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelknowledge Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Rule number one about model identification no one cares more about identifying this model than the poster. no one else knows who this model or even cares. I try to give people options by telling them where they might find her or him. I don't know every model and every brand but I have knowledge that might save people and time.How dare you be ungrateful? There are members who like helping others and if I can save them from looking through hundreds of agencies I will. At the end of the day, the poster has to realize there is only so much people can do. Sometimes they will have to search for themselves. It sucks but it's the truth. The sad part is I went the extra mile to figure out where and how they book models but now I won't tell you because you don't want to learn anything or be taught. You made yourself clear. I'll be sure to never help you again. I apologize to the person who inquired about this model. Surely Xerus will put in the extra time and effort to find this model for you considering he accuses the one of the few people who conitnually searches for model identification in their spare time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerus Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 You should apologize to him. You haven't told him word 1 about his model, and a LOT LESS than I've offered to him. From you very first post, all you've done is argue with me about how important you are in your model-id queen life, and what skills everyone should know you continuously bring to this site, which of course, couldn't operate without you (or so you think). Again, I will make it clear. I gain zero from your input, and laugh at your arrogance. That's a simple equation. Oh I most welcome that you never have to help me with an ID because, lo and behold! - I don't need or want your help. Now that's a match made in heaven. You just seem to want a lot of people to bend down and kiss your ... (or hand). It's about your self-aggrandizement. That's very sad. Good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerus Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Not to defend against fresh arguments (which is unproductive for the id process) , but I thought I would bring more data to the table on trying to ID this woman for the poster. I found this: http://www.bellazon.com/main/topic/48623-model-besame-2000/ Ironically, there is MORE INFORMATION here in his OLD post than in his new re-request. Yes, this topic here in Feb 2014 is a re-request of the same 2 images from June 2013 by the same poster. However, in JUNE of 2013, the poster was very generous with his/her information about this model. The model images in June 2013, and now Feb 2014 are from the Besame 2000 (that's 14 years ago) catalog. So... they are NOT current images. If it's Natalia, she would have been 22/23. If it's Natalia. I still can't tell on that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerus Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Natalia Sokolova? Yup.... final research indicates you were right, macunaima. I now believe that this is Natalia. I found a picture of Natalia in 1999 from her Playboy shoot. She would have been 22/23 ( born in 1976). She's demonstrating the same "look" one of the original pictures offered. I've cropped and rotated the head a bit to make it easier to compare the original to. I've inset it next to her face. It's the same person. I think this one is solved for the original poster (wherever they are now...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitounsky Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Good job Xerus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catullus Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 A simply astonishing piece of detective work, Xerus! And A+ for both perseverance and presentation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerus Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Thanks. I'm reminded of an old expression: "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". In other words - some of us have more than one research tool/methodology in our toolboxes Happy id'ing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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