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Posted 06 July 2013 - 06:04 PM

If it does go head-to-head with Avengers It would be a huge mistake from WB. The Avengers has a long list of established actors currently playing superheroes who are all in contract to be in the film: Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye they're all confirmed already for the sequel. 

 

All WB has is Henry Cavill playing Superman and that's it, and so far we don't even know if they will be releasing another one in 2014 but we do know that Christian Bale is done with Batman. I don't think he alone with a bunch of newbies are strong contenders for Paramount. Heck even I love Superman (and I love my Cavill even more, my heart still belongs to Hemsworth though) but I still I would go to The Avengers 2 without thinking it twice. So I really think they shouldn't release this movie at the same time as the Avengers.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:37 AM

Did you like the Avengers, W?

To be really honest: meh.

I mean- it wasn't bad, but there was such a hype around it, and I will never understand why.

I thought it was rather boring.

But hey- it stars a lot of hot guys so you won't here me complaining :shifty:

 

And I agree with MissLima, especially since the Avengers have a huge fanbase.

WB is so far just being smart by milking out The Amazing Spiderman,


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:48 PM

Yup, maybe a The Amazing Spiderman 2 vs. Thor 2/Captain America 2 would be a good box office battle. 

 

But Avengers would smash and destroy The Justice League right now, unless WB comes out with two good DC superheroes before Justice League it's released then they stand no chance next to Paramount's Avengers :idk:


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:52 AM


But Avengers would smash and destroy The Justice League right now, unless WB comes out with two good DC superheroes before Justice League it's released then they stand no chance next to Paramount's Avengers :idk:

 

I agree, and I think casting a new Batman is the one thing they'll really have to nail if there's going to be any hope for this. They'll also need to be confident enough to give him his own reboot first, because it'd be extremely difficult to bring him in during the events of a collective movie.

 

As for Green Lantern, I wouldn't be surprised if Reynolds was already signed up for a multi-movie deal with a view to the eventual release of Justice League. I'm not his biggest fan, but he packs a bit of star power and brought some humour to otherwise iffy superhero movies like Blade Trinity and Wolverine. Though of course, my expectations would be far, far higher for JL than for either of those films.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:20 AM

Yeah, I feel the same way.   :)

 

I rated the Avengers 3/5 (thought it was fun but disposable after one viewing) and I also wrote that it's a movie that doesn't aim any higher.  :-)  It also filled with hardcore merchandising/licensing.  With a movie like this, the box office is merely the tip of the iceberg; the rest are movie tie-ins, dvd/blu-rays, children's toys, video games, TV broadcasting, etc.

 

As far as the Avengers/ JL goes, I don't believe that the two franchises are directly competing with each other; they mostly enhance each other.  The Avengers appear to be more popular than the latter but I can't think of a causal reason why superhero fans would ignore one but not the other if both appear to be well made.

 

I wish that the Avengers had some beautiful women.  Instead, we got a badly miscast Scarlett..

 

 

 

To be really honest: meh.

I mean- it wasn't bad, but there was such a hype around it, and I will never understand why.

I thought it was rather boring.

But hey- it stars a lot of hot guys so you won't here me complaining :shifty:

 


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:01 PM

 


But Avengers would smash and destroy The Justice League right now, unless WB comes out with two good DC superheroes before Justice League it's released then they stand no chance next to Paramount's Avengers :idk:

 

I agree, and I think casting a new Batman is the one thing they'll really have to nail if there's going to be any hope for this. They'll also need to be confident enough to give him his own reboot first, because it'd be extremely difficult to bring him in during the events of a collective movie.

 

As for Green Lantern, I wouldn't be surprised if Reynolds was already signed up for a multi-movie deal with a view to the eventual release of Justice League. I'm not his biggest fan, but he packs a bit of star power and brought some humour to otherwise iffy superhero movies like Blade Trinity and Wolverine. Though of course, my expectations would be far, far higher for JL than for either of those films.

 

 

Green Lantern flopped so bad that Ryan Reynolds has already said he probably won't be back for a sequel.

 

To be honest I think that doing JL right now is a huge mistake. It's too soon to reboot Batman and especially since Bale is so fresh in our minds playing the character in such an amazing way. I think that WB needs to wait at least a good three to five years to establish some more superheroes before attempting to do JL relaying just on the superheroes being the hit thing right now in the Box Office.

 

If this isn't done well it's going to flop like many other big projects that were safe bets: Daredevil, Green Lantern, John Carter, Battleship & the super recently The Lone Ranger.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:12 PM

^

 

Most of those films were also poor films on their own.   I think you emphasize 'the box office' a bit too much.   :)   Studio executives should be assumed to be rational, not irrational.

 
In the US it's an open secret that the 'box office' is only a minority portion of what a film needs to wing just to be profitable.  It gets undue emphasis only due to the fact that it is the only immediately visible portion.   Most comic book movies' main income is not from the brief period of showing the movies in the theaters, but rather the whole process which can take many years to unfold.  Movies bomb in the box office or barely break even all the time, but eventually turn in a profit for studios years down the line (cable, blu-rays, dvds, licensing, etc.)  Comic book movies have even more future earnings to look forward to.
 
The movies you state, outside of Battleship (perhaps), are probably going to win in the long run.  I'm pretty sure that Daredevil has.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:51 AM

Green Lantern flopped so bad that Ryan Reynolds has already said he probably won't be back for a sequel.
 
To be honest I think that doing JL right now is a huge mistake. It's too soon to reboot Batman and especially since Bale is so fresh in our minds playing the character in such an amazing way. I think that WB needs to wait at least a good three to five years to establish some more superheroes before attempting to do JL relaying just on the superheroes being the hit thing right now in the Box Office.
 
If this isn't done well it's going to flop like many other big projects that were safe bets: Daredevil, Green Lantern, John Carter, Battleship & the super recently The Lone Ranger.

 
Somewhere out there, there's probably some parallel universe where the script and direction for the first Green Lantern movie were placed in safer hands, and where Reynolds is now enjoying a good run in a very successful franchise. With tons of fun background content, aliens and magic, emotional spectrum and colourful characters, it’s a story that could and should have been so easy to get right. :/
 
That being said, though the negative fan reaction and poor reviews for GL would have probably left a bad taste in his mouth, I do still think he’d jump at the chance to do a Justice League movie if they were able to get a decent script together and/or a big name director on board.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:26 AM

 

I wish that the Avengers had some beautiful women.  Instead, we got a badly miscast Scarlett..

Ah, Scarlett.

Beautiful, sweet, funny and all around perfect if she wasn't such a terrible actress :p

 

And I agree with all of the above saying that it will be tough, but can be done if a good director is attached.

Question is, who wants to burn their butt, because people are going to complain no matter what :laugh:


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:07 PM

 

^

 

Most of those films were also poor films on their own.   I think you emphasize 'the box office' a bit too much.   :)   Studio executives should be assumed to be rational, not irrational.

 
In the US it's an open secret that the 'box office' is only a minority portion of what a film needs to wing just to be profitable.  It gets undue emphasis only due to the fact that it is the only immediately visible portion.   Most comic book movies' main income is not from the brief period of showing the movies in the theaters, but rather the whole process which can take many years to unfold.  Movies bomb in the box office or barely break even all the time, but eventually turn in a profit for studios years down the line (cable, blu-rays, dvds, licensing, etc.)  Comic book movies have even more future earnings to look forward to.
 
The movies you state, outside of Battleship (perhaps), are probably going to win in the long run.  I'm pretty sure that Daredevil has.

 

 

 

Do you have children by any chance?

 

Because I do and if the movie sucks your children won't want to buy the Blu-Ray, the action figures, the costumes, the sweaters or anything. Daredevil is that, Green Lantern is that ... You don't see kids dressing as GL in Halloween right? But you'll see lots of kids dressing up as Iron Man, Spider Man, Thor and I'm sure this Halloween there will be a lot of Superman asking for candy too. So the box office IS a big deal. In order to make a character profitable you need the movie to be successful so you can sell everything else related to the movie. 


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:53 PM

Nope.  This is about intellectual property rights :)

 

 

Do you have children by any chance?

 

 

Because I do and if the movie sucks your children won't want to buy the Blu-Ray, the action figures, the costumes, the sweaters or anything. Daredevil is that, Green Lantern is that ... You don't see kids dressing as GL in Halloween right? But you'll see lots of kids dressing up as Iron Man, Spider Man, Thor and I'm sure this Halloween there will be a lot of Superman asking for candy too. So the box office IS a big deal. In order to make a character profitable you need the movie to be successful so you can sell everything else related to the movie.

 

 

I never said that this was not important; in fact I stated that it was.   :) That's the bonus that comic book movies enjoy over more conventional productions.

 

Every time you buy a blu-ray or see a movie from on TV, there are deals that have been made and renewed:  royalties and licensing revenue fees that make their way up to the studio and IP owners.  They get a cut.  This occurs on a global scale (that's a lot of channels..) for big studio pictures/media corporations, and even box office bomb action films do quite well on Blu-ray/DVD, rentals, and international broadcasting.   As I said, it's a long process.  A box office bomb  (like John Carter, which caused a publicly disclosed reporting write-off) will hurt the producers in the near term, but then there's the next ten to twenty years of monetization so the ultimate fate of the project is still unknown.   The production budgets (mostly marketing and distribution) for a film during its theater tenure is only the first stage.  Box offices revenues aren't big enough to make or break many projects during their lifetime.  Daredevil, for instance, was a frequent fixture on cable TV.

 

Did you know that many movie theaters in the US make most of their money off of their concessions stand?

 

 


 

Ah, Scarlett.

Beautiful, sweet, funny and all around perfect if she wasn't such a terrible actress  :p

 

And I agree with all of the above saying that it will be tough, but can be done if a good director is attached.

Question is, who wants to burn their butt, because people are going to complain no matter what  :laugh:

 


 

I'm sure she is...in person.. :)

 

I saw Scarlett's breakout film with Murray (Lost in Translation), and her acting wasn't even good there.  Lost in Translation was a good film, though.  Then she started getting promoted as this 'great, talented beauty' for several years, and produced several poor performances.  :neo2:  


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:04 PM

So I finally saw Man of Steel, and I’m happy to report that I really enjoyed it. It felt a little heavy-handed in parts and was occasionally repetitive but overall, excellent fun. Great action sequences; I was particularly fond of the opening on Krypton and the scenes in which Clark flies for the first time and breaks the sound barrier.
 
Shannon as Zod didn’t really work for me, from the way the character looked to how he played it, but how fantastic Faora was! Honestly thought she could have carried the film as the sole villain. Russell Crowe's Jor-El was another highlight, and thumbs up too to Cavill in the title role. While probably not as ideal a Superman as Reeve was, I thought he absolutely embodied everything an actor should to portray the character. Also really liked the fact that Lois had his identity figured out from the beginning. That whole "Lois has no idea that Clark is Superman" thing is so ridiculously hackneyed, quite honestly, I’m amazed that it’s taken this long for someone to do away with it.
 
I must also say that the grittier tone of the movie, which I know was a bone of contention for many, made sense to me by the end. It hadn't crossed my mind beforehand, but we've really never seen a fledgling Clark Kent on the big screen, and I think it would have been extremely difficult to launch a confused rookie hero into becoming the world's saviour so quickly without first introducing some dark themes. He didn't have ten lost years in his ice fortress to learn his trade like in the Donner version, he was basically a transient worker who found out the extent of his alien heritage within a matter of hours. So all in all, a good launching point for future films, and the first step in the development of the Superman we've come to know. On a scale of Batman & Robin to The Dark Knight, I'd give it an X-Men. :thumbsup:


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 04:04 PM

Man of Steel was soooo boring. Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed super hero movies before (like the Dark Knight trilogy), but this one was just so bland. I can't believe the same guy who made 300 made this also.



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 10:31 AM

 


But Avengers would smash and destroy The Justice League right now, unless WB comes out with two good DC superheroes before Justice League it's released then they stand no chance next to Paramount's Avengers :idk:

 

I agree, and I think casting a new Batman is the one thing they'll really have to nail if there's going to be any hope for this. They'll also need to be confident enough to give him his own reboot first, because it'd be extremely difficult to bring him in during the events of a collective movie.

 

As for Green Lantern, I wouldn't be surprised if Reynolds was already signed up for a multi-movie deal with a view to the eventual release of Justice League. I'm not his biggest fan, but he packs a bit of star power and brought some humour to otherwise iffy superhero movies like Blade Trinity and Wolverine. Though of course, my expectations would be far, far higher for JL than for either of those films.

 

 

I doubt we'll be seeing Reynolds as Green Lantern again. If we do get a Justice League movie we'll most likely be having the John Stewart Green Lantern, not Hal Jordan. Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson seems to be set on playing him. Warner Bros had been eyeing up him and Jason Momoa for roles. Jason is possibly going to be Aquaman, which I wouldn't mind. I think they really don't want people to view Aquaman as a lame superhero anymore - though the comics did do that themselves, seriously, giving him a pink seahorse to ride, then him refusing to allow people into the ocean when the city was burning, not to mention the other members of the JL were helping but he wasn't.. 

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 10:40 AM

By the time a Justice League movie comes around, if we will get one but Warner Bros are really pushing for 6 King Arthur movies.., it probably wouldn't be released until around the same time as The Avengers 3. One way to make it possible for kicking The Avengers 3 butt is to have the JL established within Man of Steel 2, or a standalone Batman movie if they were to do one before a JL movie. Then have the final movie before a JL be based on 'The Death of Superman'. That comic made headlines worldwide when it came out in the 90's. I'm sure if they were to do a live action movie based around that comic it would also bring worldwide news. We all know Superman comes back, so make him comeback in the Justice League movie, everyone would be keen to see him return. I doubt they would do something like that though which is probably a good thing, I don't think I could watch Superman die.


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