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Baby, on Apr 3 2011, 01:52 AM, said:

cult, damn me XD i checked his biography on wikipedia and i "saw" philosopher (don't ask me why, i don't know), i was wrong about his job, drama! but anyway for me, the result is absolutely the same.

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i don't know if that's something good but i have the feeling i can deal with everything. if i love people's personality, things could be ok.

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i just decided to change my perception and i did.

What i'm trying to point out- (in the rest as well), is that you don't know how long your perceptions regarding "love and beauty" will remain this way due to environmental and intellectual variables, and assuming that if you were to dogmatically 'stay the course' and 'hang onto this abstract concept' so to speak...not just in human relationship but in any sort of human endeavor... you're taking unmanageable risks.  

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yes, and about hugh/no hugh my answer should be the same. so because you're a sick person you shouldn't be allow to have a relationship because you could die ?
but honestly, i could date with this kind (old or sick) of person without hesitation. death doesn't scare me and by the way, when you see everybody divorced, it's really hard to spend your whole life with someone. if i have the feeling i'm connected to this person, and this love make me grow up, so why not! for me, you're really in love with someone when you don't expect something from him. you just love this person because he is and you don't need to share sex, hugs, family, house, money. you don't need one of these things to be interested by him and you're above your hormones or aspiration of a life style. and i honestly really hope this end, this death could be dark or sad, because without violence, love means nothing, it wasn't there, it was just an illusion. and i really would like to expect i could keep this love in my heart like something pure and religious who could haunt me until my natural death because spend years or maybe decades to keep someone in your heart without stupid illusions or aspirations is the most beautiful proof of love

Death, sickness, suffering, and violence should scare you, because it's highly unpleasant and because this person would soon no longer be there for you to love.  Having a sexless relationship, no housing, no cash flow is another mountain of difficulty and work.  

This "love" is not the highest attainment but rather a biological desire that needs to be periodically fulfilled.. not too dissimilar from 'hormones' or 'hunger'.  Human beings are animals, not abstract literary concepts.  The side of humanity that cherishes love, affiliation, and group solidarity is biological and genetic in nature.  And so is the other side where humans strive for excellence, seek victory through competition, and spurn the mass psychology of the crowd in order to innovate and create.  Both are integral to how  human beings evolved to master the earth.  "Love and beauty"-as I said before, are fleeting.  

[Baby]

yes cult, that's really nice to explain me all these things but did i ask explications ? did i say i didn't understand why i changed ? as i couldn't understand something as logic by myself ? i just said, i changed, i didn't ask how it was possible. i know how i changed because it comes from my own desire, of my will. and instead of be spontaneous born, never change and be immortal, everything include brain, and perceptions must change and we don't need a schema to understand it. so for me that's a cheap philosophy (or whatever you want).

so yes, thing can change but for me go back to the "oh my god, he's so sexy, i really would like to be his girlfriend" should be a huge regression, as i said i opened my mind because of my will, so i don't understand why now or in the future i would like to close it. it should be totally stupid and senseless. love superficially someone for the things he could represent and not for who he is. beauty is ok when you're not able to communicate with the person, you're superfical and you can spend years without interesting conversation. for me falling in love with with somone because of his beauty is stupid. as i already said, when you're in love with someone you always think he's a beautiful person, so why focus on people's beauty ?

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you're taking unmanageable risks

i did it because i know it was possible, because society and history show that tastes could be different and our perceptions are modlable. so i decided to have to have my own tastes and stopped to follow what the society choose for me.
so yes, the risk could be stop to be leaded my society, such a drama! it doesn't mean i don't respect laws or i will star to eat poo. just beauty was something who's trapped and limited my relationship. i have the feeling now, i'm more tolerant.

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Death, sickness, suffering, and violence should scare you, because it's highly unpleasant and because this person would soon no longer be there for you to love. Having a sexless relationship, no housing, no cash flow is another mountain of difficulty and work.

so you mean, because i'm a sick person, i just should stop all my relationships and become a none ?
"for you to love" so this is no love, just business. love someone because he loves you and bring you something. by the way, i never said live without money, sex etc (you don't need a lover for it) just you don't need these things to love someone and for me a true love is something who only take care of this love and who's bared all all the rest.
be scared by sickness, death, should be refused what we are, and play the struthio. put the head in the sand when thing gone bad. if everybody were scared by sick or dying people, medecine should be really worst and couldn't evolve. people should reject by society (maybe they should live in special camp ?)
strangely, the happiest periode of my life and where i really learnt about life was when i lived in hospital. i lived with dying or malformed people like phocomelia, i even met someone with a neurofibromatosis sickness (yes, like jpseph merrick) with a head who make the twice of a normal head.
you can't understand how incredible were these people, because they were rejected by society so their life style, perception, conversations were really more different and difference make us evolve. this often is "different" people who make change society, the rest of people are just too busy to copy cat their neighbours and stay trapped in the conformist, a kind of intolenrance, where they can't evolve.
dying people made me understood how important is life, and how stupid is to lose your time to try to be perfectly beautiful to please to someone you couldn't love or be interested by who you are if you weren't beautiful. as you were obligated to be beautiful to be allowed to speak and be loved. why lose your time for/with people who superficially love you when you could be with people who really love you as you are ?
and with these people there is not hypocrisy. they expect nothing from life or other people because they know they will die. so maybe sometimes they are rude, but they aren't here to seduce and play the "olala, you SOOO coool, so beautiful, so nice" like they lived in the world of teletubies. but in same time they were more tolerant because they weren't the stereotype of the perfect human and learn to accept and be happy as they were. and, in the end, i think their values were really better than the ones of people who try to stay far away of this kind of life.
when you're conscious of your own death, you stop to lose your time with bulls*ts. i don't critic beautiful people and say if you're beautiful, you're supercial because some people considerate as beautiful by our society can be really intelligent and interesting too and the ugly ones can be totally stupid and boring, but i critic this obsession of beauty and the fact in the end, you realise beauty is nothing, and this obsession is really more negative than positive and tolerant and i think that's really sad to build a wall between people just because of it.


"The side of humanity that cherishes love, affiliation, and group solidarity is biological and genetic in nature" so maybe you should visite the assocation where i make voluntary to help homeless people, so you could understand that 95% of people must have the strange genetic (and that's why so there are never enough blood or organs donations) and the day where they decided to help someone we hear talking about it during years like they were super heros and everybody mush cheer them. they are ridiculous and it's break my heart to see so many different people rejected by society and then become homeless because people reject them and they even able to have a normal job. it's kill me to see intelligent, funny, amazing live in the street and die just because their look is not conventional.


love and tolerance sound better to my ears.


Arielle,
as i already said, for me, it's easier to think someone ugly is beautiful than someone stupid is intelligent. and i think there are enough intelligent people on earth to avoid a relationship with a jerk (ugly or beautiful)

[Lexus#1]

I guess I'm alright concerning looks.

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Dear Miss Baby,

I have been referring to the danger of uncritical zeal- particularly in regards to one's idea of love.  The unifying theme behind my responses was directed towards what I presumed to be the presence of 'uncritical zeal' in some of your statements regarding affections.   To repeat myself, I advocate a 'systems approach' in the analysis of your feelings.  This 'systems approach' is the standard way groups of people or individuals are studied in academic and private sector data gathering & analysis settings- marketing, managerial studies, good sociology, psychology, history, and economics.

I am actually unsure as to what else I can add to what I've already written- beyond that I am not in a position or possessing knowledge of the {relationship}experiences you describe right here:

Baby, on Apr 3 2011, 08:11 PM, said:

yes cult, that's really nice to explain me all these things but did i ask explications ? did i say i didn't understand why i changed ? as i couldn't understand something as logic by myself ? i just said, i changed, i didn't ask how it was possible. i know how i changed because it comes from my own desire, of my will. and instead of be spontaneous born, never change and be immortal, everything include brain, and perceptions must change and we don't need a schema to understand it. so for me that's a cheap philosophy (or whatever you want).

so yes, thing can change but for me go back to the "oh my god, he's so sexy, i really would like to be his girlfriend" should be a huge regression, as i said i opened my mind because of my will, so i don't understand why now or in the future i would like to close it. it should be totally stupid and senseless. love superficially someone for the things he could represent and not for who he is. beauty is ok when you're not able to communicate with the person, you're superfical and you can spend years without interesting conversation. for me falling in love with with somone because of his beauty is stupid. as i already said, when you're in love with someone you always think he's a beautiful person, so why focus on people's beauty ?

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you're taking unmanageable risks

i did it because i know it was possible, because society and history show that tastes could be different and our perceptions are modlable. so i decided to have to have my own tastes and stopped to follow what the society choose for me.
so yes, the risk could be stop to be leaded my society, such a drama! it doesn't mean i don't respect laws or i will star to eat poo. just beauty was something who's trapped and limited my relationship. i have the feeling now, i'm more tolerant.

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Baby,

I hold the position that love, like all matters in life, need to be integrated within the uncertain confines of the real world.  The resources most of us have are limited as most of us have to work for a living.  Our finite resources- whether material or mental needed to be allocated in a realistic and sustainable way.

I understand that you have health issues, but you have implied in the past that you have ready access to a considerably larger-than-median amounts of appreciating cash flow.  That's an asset that is linked with you, and so is your physical attractiveness & to many, perhaps your personality.

So a gentleman or (woman) may deem the construction of a relationship- this business venture per say, to be attractive according their own needs.

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so you mean, because i'm a sick person, i just should stop all my relationships and become a none ?
"for you to love" so this is no love, just business. love someone because he loves you and bring you something. by the way, i never said live without money, sex etc (you don't need a lover for it) just you don't need these things to love someone and for me a true love is something who only take care of this love and who's bared all all the rest.
be scared by sickness, death, should be refused what we are, and play the struthio. put the head in the sand when thing gone bad. if everybody were scared by sick or dying people, medecine should be really worst and couldn't evolve. people should reject by society (maybe they should live in special camp ?)
strangely, the happiest periode of my life and where i really learnt about life was when i lived in hospital. i lived with dying or malformed people like phocomelia, i even met someone with a neurofibromatosis sickness (yes, like jpseph merrick) with a head who make the twice of a normal head.

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Baby,

I'm sure that these people are people.  And there are lot of unsung and forgotten 'heroes' and I believe that most of us can be heroes in our own way.

Outside those with irremediable birth defects..There are the other dependents- are those 'nonconformist' people really 'incredible' or are they closer to being completely self absorbed narcissists who decide to not become taxpaying workers in the society that spent resources to birth and raise them?  

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you can't understand how incredible were these people, because they were rejected by society so their life style, perception, conversations were really more different and difference make us evolve. http://www.bellazon.com/main/#

this often is "different" people who make change society, the rest of people are just too busy to copy cat their neighbours and stay trapped in the conformist, a kind of intolenrance, where they can't evolve.

'Conformist' people are the people who keep societies running and operational.   The soldiers, the firefighters, the policemen, the doctors & nurses, the tradespeople, the housewives, professionals, etc.  They should be honored and respected, don't you think?  They contribute in their own way and usually sacrifice part of their individualism & 'creative potential' to do so.  I am conformist myself in certain ways, and not always because I want to.

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dying people made me understood how important is life, and how stupid is to lose your time to try to be perfectly beautiful to please to someone you couldn't love or be interested by who you are if you weren't beautiful. as you were obligated to be beautiful to be allowed to speak and be loved. why lose your time for/with people who superficially love you when you could be with people who really love you as you are ?

Well, yes, a dying person has a different plans than a young person like you.  You have decades, they have months.  Sure, it's stupid to try to be beautiful to someone you don't love, but why not be beautiful to someone that you do love?  :-)

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and with these people there is not hypocrisy. they expect nothing from life or other people because they know they will die. so maybe sometimes they are rude, but they aren't here to seduce and play the "olala, you SOOO coool, so beautiful, so nice" like they lived in the world of teletubies. but in same time they were more tolerant because they weren't the stereotype of the perfect human and learn to accept and be happy as they were. and, in the end, i think their values were really better than the ones of people who try to stay far away of this kind of life.
when you're conscious of your own death, you stop to lose your time with bulls*ts. i don't critic beautiful people and say if you're beautiful, you're supercial because some people considerate as beautiful by our society can be really intelligent and interesting too and the ugly ones can be totally stupid and boring, but i critic this obsession of beauty and the fact in the end, you realise beauty is nothing, and this obsession is really more negative than positive and tolerant and i think that's really sad to build a wall between people just because of it.

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"The side of humanity that cherishes love, affiliation, and group solidarity is biological and genetic in nature" so maybe you should visite the assocation where i make voluntary to help homeless people, so you could understand that 95% of people must have the strange genetic (and that's why so there are never enough blood or organs donations) and the day where they decided to help someone we hear talking about it during years like they were super heros and everybody mush cheer them. they are ridiculous and it's break my heart to see so many different people rejected by society and then become homeless because people reject them and they even able to have a normal job. it's kill me to see intelligent, funny, amazing live in the street and die just because their look is not conventional.

love and tolerance sound better to my ears.

Love and tolerance is nice, but it consumes scarce resources and must be kept to a manageable degree.  For those with incurable ailments- they cost a great, often unsustainable amount of time and money so that's too bad.  That's why charities and charity work exist in the fashion that they do, and why some people are unable or are unwilling to give away resources to take care of these people.  That's why for many taxpayers in Europe- more than half of their incomes are taken away from the government and a portion of this is redistributed as social benefits for those who are unable to contribute to the particular society.

[Baby]

and here i knock my head against the wall.  


so at first i don't know if you talk about your schema/quote or about old men . about the schema, so yes you analysed my feeling, but did i said i didn't know how it worked ??? i just said "i changed". i never asked how. i think i'm able to understand it by myself, don't you think ?

and about the old men i asked you which risk ?  and you answer me it was studdied in academy, marketing and blablabla XD that's really the answer i expected!

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I hold the position that love, like all matters in life, need to be integrated within the uncertain confines of the real world. The resources most of us have are limited as most of us have to work for a living. Our finite resources- whether material or mental needed to be allocated in a realistic and sustainable way.

I understand that you have health issues, but you have implied in the past that you have ready access to a considerably larger-than-median amounts of appreciating cash flow. That's an asset that is linked with you, and so is your physical attractiveness & to many, perhaps your personality.

So a gentleman or (woman) may deem the construction of a relationship- this business venture per say, to be attractive according their own needs

because i talked about a parallele world ? for me, love is just LOVE and nothing else. so you don't think that's possible to be deeply in love with someone and never have sex with him or live have a family with him. that's possible, and this is not a fanstasm and it doesn't mean live without sex, money or an home, just all these things are not LOVE and you can have all these stuff, share someone's life without be in love. it like a guy who could be married with a girl, have kids, share his live with her, and could be be deeply in love with his neighbour and this girl married with someone else, and the both can be religious people and can't divorce and result, in the end, they are not together. but this is not because they haven't sex, or kid, or a life together than they can't love each other. and this is the real world. love just needs love.

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I'm sure that these people are people. And there are lot of unsung and forgotten 'heroes' and I believe that most of us can be heroes in our own way.

Outside those with irremediable birth defects..There are the other dependents- are those 'nonconformist' people really 'incredible' or are they closer to being completely self absorbed narcissists who decide to not become taxpaying workers in the society that spent resources to birth and raise them?

i never said they were heroes. i said they were amazing people, as people you could receive love even if they aren't considerate as beautiful and they were freak only because people said they were freak. you you call them "birth defects" but who the f*ck are you to juge them and say they should die, shouldn't be allow to live!!! people put them in hospital because they are like you, because they are different so they must live outside of the society. but honessty, if people just tolerate the way the look, they could live "normaly" and in an adapted for them, maybe a part of them even could be superior to you

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'Conformist' people are the people who keep societies running and operational. The soldiers, the firefighters, the policemen, the doctors & nurses, the tradespeople, the housewives, professionals, etc. They should be honored and respected, don't you think? They contribute in their own way and usually sacrifice part of their individualism & 'creative potential' to do so. I am conformist myself in certain ways, and not always because I want to.

i said, trapped in a conformism, and could you please tell me where you saw me classified people because of their job!  when i talked about different people, i talked about a different personality (because just before i talked about a different vision of life and i answered about your message about evolution). and i think there is a huge difference between a job and a personality.

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Well, yes, a dying person has a different plans than a young person like you. You have decades, they have months. Sure, it's stupid to try to be beautiful to someone you don't love, but why not be beautiful to someone that you do love? :-)

dying people who were with me weren't 90 years old but 15/25 years old and should i said the majority of them never been 30 years old... i lived in an hospital, not in the retirement home and you absolutely don't know if i have decades or not.
because someone who you love doesn't need it. he accepts you as you are.

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Love and tolerance is nice, but it consumes scarce resources and must be kept to a manageable degree. For those with incurable ailments- they cost a great, often unsustainable amount of time and money so that's too bad. That's why charities and charity work exist in the fashion that they do, and why some people are unable or are unwilling to give away resources to take care of these people. That's why for many taxpayers in Europe- more than half of their incomes are taken away from the government and a portion of this is redistributed as social benefits for those who are unable to contribute to the particular society.

LOL! and could you tell my why tolerance should be limited ? i hardly understand you sentence... i'm french, i'm blonde... people shouldn't be tolerant because there are sick people and they cost money? so you can insult everybody in the street because there are people in hospital? but to correctly answer to your question, don't you think if there were more organs or blood donations, people spend less time in hospital, operations should be cheaper, because organes would be cheaper, and if people should wait just few months instead of few years, their bills should be really less expensive and their sickness should be shorter ? so that's sure better to avoid save people life and double the bill. that's really more intelligent and economic. and why do you think theer are so many homeless people ? because people can't work when they are sick and something must sell everything they have to pay the doctors and medicine.  
by the way give your blood it's like 45 minutes all the 2 or 3 months and it cost nothing. so you're right, that's an "unsustainable amount of time and money". and i prefer spend 45 in the street and talking with homeless people than spend 45 minutes in front of my mirror and because i love ronard mcdonald make-up (that's funny because with you peopke can spend all the time they want for beauty but not for charity)
politics take money from taxe it's because if we only must count on people's charity people couldn't be saved (just see the result with blood or organs who cost nothing!) and this is extactly what i said there were a couple of months with a friend when we talked about anarchy and i told him anarchy was stupid because without laws, without taxes, when there is a natural disaster (or sick people) we can't count on people charity because at first everybody wouln't give money, and even isome people would like to give something they just couln't because they need to buy food, electricity etc and organs and blood donations are like based on an anarchist system and the result is really sh*tty. so that's why they are taxes, to help people when then suddendly need money or medicine (and a plenty of other good or bad things...)
by the way, yes, sick people often can't work, but it doesn't means they never worked!!! and if you're lucky, they even paid your education! another unsustainable amount of time and money... but anyway, your speech about tolerant is really not logic...


i stop the conversation here and i will stop to reply because this conversation is boring and just make me angry. i even won't back on this thread to read your answer, it doesn't interest me. i talked about the things i lived, you talked about the thing you read and have a converation with an bad imitation of encarta encyclopedia absolutely doesn't interest me.

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Baby, on Apr 5 2011, 10:16 AM, said:

i stop the conversation here and i will stop to reply because this conversation is boring and just make me angry. i even won't back on this thread to read your answer, it doesn't interest me. i talked about the things i lived, you talked about the thing you read and have a converation with an bad imitation of encarta encyclopedia absolutely don't interest me.

I am indeed so called university 'educated'- in fact my academic background is in the technical aspects of business.  In fact, I'm 'educated' beyond that in various real world subjects.  And I'm also talking about the 'real world' and enhancing one's analysis with tools derived from it..my dear..because it helps   I've also gone through relationships, I have a career where I interpret information, and I've volunteered at hospitals & seen the dying.

I have not inappropriately or inhumanely discussed the impaired or homeless at all Baby- I am quite aware of fundamental 'moral' principals that are integral to the functioning of a humane society.   And in fact many of my 'questions', for instance, are addressing other realistic sides (the social, the psychological, and the economic) of some of your more polarized stances- in order to stimulate your thought and attempt to move them towards a more realistic direction.  You know, there are bodies of knowledge and empirical research that can shed a more strategic and all-encompassing light on these issues that not only include, but extend upon the individual, highly localized experience.  

You do seem to be angry- and I myself am bewildered (!!?) at your response- there has been a lot that has been 'lost in translation' so to speak between us. I don't believe that you really grasp what I'm talking about and it is most apparent to me now that I have made miscalculations as to what the nature of your world view & knowledge base is.  You, yourself..have miscalculated me.  We seem to be speaking in different languages, and it is not exclusively verbal.  And it is most unfortunate, because I have written casually here, (unknowingly, until your second to last post) while you may have felt distress.

Anyway,

I hope you will no longer be angry when you read this, or feel hurt, as it has never been my intention or desire for such a result.  In fact, I hope your distress subsides rapidly, you change your mind, and I welcome more conversations with you.

[Aranka]

I just love how you two manage to make a thread about if people think themselves are beautifull into a discussion  

Back to the topic: Personally I don't think of myself as pretty, there's always something I would like to change without being vain in that regard. It's more like I notice it, take note....and then just forget it all together for the rest of the day (or try to). Others might say I am, but at the end of the day, that doesn't count....it's what a person him/herself feels which will in the end decide if someone feels him/herself pretty.

[Lexus#1]

I don't dwell on my looks, but if someone were to ask me, I'd have to ask compared to what? Next to Kemp Muhl-NO, next to blondie who runs a clique in school, YES

[apeman]

absolutely not ! but so what  I`m not a girl  

[sagitario]

depends on the day ... lol

when I was a kid, I guess I was really very beautiful ... LOL

now depends on the day, if I have not slept as I should, I'm horrible lol

if I'm well rested, and makeup, I think I'm beautiful ...is sure that everyone gets more beautiful with makeup, but I think I am very ahah at least I get lots of compliments from men and women ...
relative to the body, now that I'm thinner, people often say I have a model body, because I am tall and thin ...but my body is far from being a model ahah and localized fat?


I have my faults yes, but in general I like my appearance

[Nightlife]

Cult Icon, on Jan 7 2011, 03:52 AM, said:

my dad says that I have a 'heroic' 'aristocratic' face

Never heard anybody be discribed as "heroic" in regards to commenting on someone's facial features. To be honest i am not entirely sure what that looks like   Although has to be said first image pops into my head is "Gladiator"

[Lyon]

Nightlife, on Feb 4 2012, 10:07 PM, said:

Cult Icon, on Jan 7 2011, 03:52 AM, said:

my dad says that I have a 'heroic' 'aristocratic' face

Never heard anybody be discribed as "heroic" in regards to commenting on someone's facial features. To be honest i am not entirely sure what that looks like   Although has to be said first image pops into my head is "Gladiator"

Just laughed out loud for it

[katchitup]

sagitario, on Feb 4 2012, 05:34 AM, said:

depends on the day ... lol

when I was a kid, I guess I was really very beautiful ... LOL

now depends on the day, if I have not slept as I should, I'm horrible lol

if I'm well rested, and makeup, I think I'm beautiful ...is sure that everyone gets more beautiful with makeup, but I think I am very ahah at least I get lots of compliments from men and women ...
relative to the body, now that I'm thinner, people often say I have a model body, because I am tall and thin ...but my body is far from being a model ahah and localized fat?


I have my faults yes, but in general I like my appearance

Yeah, Okay isabeli fontana

[vanessaaa]

katchitup, on Feb 4 2012, 03:05 PM, said:

sagitario, on Feb 4 2012, 05:34 AM, said:

depends on the day ... lol

when I was a kid, I guess I was really very beautiful ... LOL

now depends on the day, if I have not slept as I should, I'm horrible lol

if I'm well rested, and makeup, I think I'm beautiful ...is sure that everyone gets more beautiful with makeup, but I think I am very ahah at least I get lots of compliments from men and women ...
relative to the body, now that I'm thinner, people often say I have a model body, because I am tall and thin ...but my body is far from being a model ahah and localized fat?


I have my faults yes, but in general I like my appearance

Yeah, Okay isabeli fontana

+1

[Nightlife]

Lyon, on Feb 4 2012, 04:41 PM, said:

Nightlife, on Feb 4 2012, 10:07 PM, said:

Cult Icon, on Jan 7 2011, 03:52 AM, said:

my dad says that I have a 'heroic' 'aristocratic' face

Never heard anybody be discribed as "heroic" in regards to commenting on someone's facial features. To be honest i am not entirely sure what that looks like   Although has to be said first image pops into my head is "Gladiator"

Just laughed out loud for it

I seriously got nothing else

[ILUVBarbaraPalvin]

vanessaaa, on Feb 4 2012, 04:41 PM, said:

katchitup, on Feb 4 2012, 03:05 PM, said:

sagitario, on Feb 4 2012, 05:34 AM, said:

depends on the day ... lol

when I was a kid, I guess I was really very beautiful ... LOL

now depends on the day, if I have not slept as I should, I'm horrible lol

if I'm well rested, and makeup, I think I'm beautiful ...is sure that everyone gets more beautiful with makeup, but I think I am very ahah at least I get lots of compliments from men and women ...
relative to the body, now that I'm thinner, people often say I have a model body, because I am tall and thin ...but my body is far from being a model ahah and localized fat?


I have my faults yes, but in general I like my appearance

Yeah, Okay isabeli fontana

+1

+2  

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